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And I thought HP had fixed that problem.  First time I saw that happen
was in 1984, someone apparently hit the space bar and walked away.
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jack Connor
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:01 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Anomaly
> 
> Jim,
> 
> I don't know if the console log disc entries are blocked as 
> well, but it would be logical to assume so.  You could check 
> last night's log for type 115s and see if they queue at a 
> certain point.
> 
> Per the powering off of the console, that is not generally a problem.
> 
> The problem arises when someone begins typing on the console, 
> but doesn't hit ENTER/RETURN. That blocks the device until 
> the input is completed.
> 
> Jack
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Phillips [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:51 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Anomaly
> 
> Thanks for the reply, Kim.
> 
> Very interesting.  Is there any way of querying the system 
> log files to determine if this is really what happened?
> 
> Our console is usually powered off unless we are rebooting.
> 
> Jim
> 
> --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Kim Borgman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > From: Kim Borgman <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] Anomaly
> > To: "'Jim Phillips'" <[log in to unmask]>, "[log in to unmask]"
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:43 AM We had this happen once
> > also....the system 'hangs' when messages cannot display on 
> the console
> > after the buffer? fills up.
> >
> > In our case, a simple return at the console displayed everything and
> > we were fine.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Jim Phillips
> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:38 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [HP3000-L] Anomaly
> >
> > We had an anomaly with our HP3000 system this morning. When 
> I got the
> > call just beforee 5 AM, I could ping the server and connect to the
> > remote console yet I could not remote in using either 
> telnet or NS/VT.
> > I had someone go onsite (the server is located remotely from me) and
> > the console was non-responsive.  Control-B worked, but going back to
> > the console it was still non-responsive.  I finally got the console
> > working via using Control-A and then hitting return (no Control-A
> > command), and then the flood gates opened and hundreds of console
> > messages flooded in.
> >
> > At that point I could see what jobs were running and 
> everything looked
> > okay, with the exception of them running hours later than they were
> > expected to run.  Looking at the $STDLIST for the restart job that
> > runs after the backup (and which streams all the nightly 
> batch jobs),
> > I find this:
> >
> > :LISTF @.TEMP.MDSSBASE
> > THU, AUG 20, 2009, 1:31 AM
> > FILENAME
> > C6130002
> > C6130004
> > . . .
> >
> > :SHOWJOB JOB=@J;EXEC
> > JOBNUM STATE IPRI JIN JLIST INTRODUCED JOB NAME
> > #J6128 EXEC 10S JCYIT THU 1:00A FULLBACK,MANAGER.SYS
> > #J6202 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:12A NP92JOB,MGR.MINISOFT
> > #J6204 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:16A NETBASE,MGR.NETBASE
> > #J6199 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:11A RESTART,MANAGER.SYS
> > #J6228 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:26A MS225F,USER.JCY
> > #J6226 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:26A NITELY,USER.JCY
> > #J6218 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:23A NITELY,USER.MMS3000
> > #J6122 EXEC 10S LP THU 7:34A BCKCHK,MANAGER.SYS #J6200 EXEC 
> 10S JCYIT
> > THU 1:12A INETD,MANAGER.SYS
> > #J6237 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:30A MS220PR,USER.MMS3000 #J6210 EXEC 10S LP
> > THU 1:18A NITELY,USER.MEXICO
> > #J6206 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:16A SYSCHK,MGR.UTIL
> > #J6201 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:15A MSJOB,MGR.MINISOFT
> > #J6233 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:29A MS220PR,USER.MEXICO
> > #J6205 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:16A JWHSERVR,MANAGER.SYS
> > #J6235 EXEC 10S LP THU 1:29A NITELY,USER.OVO
> > 16 JOBS (DISPLAYED):
> > 0 SESSIONS
> > JOBFENCE= 0; JLIMIT= 9; SLIMIT= 256
> > :SHOWTIME
> > THU, AUG 20, 2009, 7:34 AM
> >
> >
> > And what puzzles me about this is the elapsed time between 
> the :LISTF
> > and the SHOWJOB (1:31 AM to 7:34 AM).  The latter time is,
> > interestingly enough, just about the time I got the console to start
> > responding.
> >
> > So, my question is:  How can I find out what happened to 
> delay things
> > from 1:31 AM until 7:30?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Jim Phillips
> >
> >
> >
> >
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