Talk to the hand.
John Testa
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Shawn Gordon
At 09:23 AM 10/22/2004, John Testa wrote:
>No Shawn, I sense that no matter what I say, the debate is endless, and
>that it's boiling down to "who gets the last word in."
>
>Knowing a fair bit about linguistics, language, other languages, and
>etymology, apparently I can't even win an argument about which I am
>staunchly convinced I am correct.
>
>So, what, exactly is the point of continuing? To argue for the sake of
>arguing. No thank you. So you all enjoy the rest of the "debate".
which is all very nice except for the fact that you had to get in the last
word by making your smart ass comment, then you come back with this trying
to appear as though you are taking some high road, when in fact you have
done nothing of the sort.
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>At 08:55 AM 10/22/2004, John Testa wrote:
> >I think I already mentioned I'm done with this.
> >
> >Words.
> >
> >Falling.
> >
> >Deaf ears.
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>brilliant debate strategy - say your peace and run away to avoid hearing a
>counter argument.
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> > Please respond
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> > Brice
> > Yokem
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> >1. I do not doubt that GWB is not as smart as JK, but he is is sticking
> >with his position, even if it is wrong. JK is taking whatever position
> >which is expedient at the moment.
> >
> >--------------------------
> >
> >2. "Miachiavellian diplomacy" is an oxymoron.
> >
> >--------------------------
> >
> >Patently false, and false on it's face. I do not know why you continue
to
> >hold such a false position.
> >
> >Machiavellian
> >1. cunning and unscrupulous: using clever trickery, amoral methods, and
> >expediency to achieve a desired goal, especially in politics (
> >disapproving )
> >
> >diplomacy
> >1. international relations: the management of communication and
> >relationships between nations by members and employees of each
nation̢۪s
> >government
> >
> >
> >So it is not possible to manage communications which are deceitful?
> >The two definitions are not mutually exclusive. They do not mean the
same
> >thing, but I did not say they did.
> >
> >---------------------
> >
> >3. Yes, Bush has basically come to the conclusion that the
justification
> >for the war in Iraq is now that Sadam Hussein had vague plans to produce
> >weapons of mass destruction "sometime in the future", even though the
> >latest full investigation came to the distinct, inarguable conclusion
that
> >there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq nor have there been for
> >the last ten years.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >They did find some. There are also chemical plants which were not
> >technically illegal, but could be converted to poison gas. There were
> >portable labs which could be used to create weaponized disease.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >How is Kerry an improvement?
> >
> >1. He's not a religious fool. I truly think George Bush has the
> >intelligence of a penlight.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >No he is a fast talker and a Machiavellian politician in the purest
sense.
> >He will say whatever he thinks you will believe.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >2. He knows how to communicate his ideas.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >So did Adolph Hitler. This is just a slick way of saing he knows how
> >to tell you what he want's you to hear.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >3. Apparently, Kerry's interested in listening to others' opinions and
> >reviewing facts, something in which I believe (and history has proved
this
> >to be true)
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >Right, listen to others opinions and tailor your response to fit.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >Primarily, I am in favor of the rights of individuals to do with their
> >lives what they wish including the ingesting of whatever drugs they
want,
> >removal of fetuses they don't want, and marrying whomever they want.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >But not spend the money they earn how they want? This is a classic
> >example of Civil Rights trumping Economic Rights, so why would your
> >conscience have you vote Libertarian?
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >I am in favor of stem cell research.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >As it turns out, there is a method emerging where stem cells can be
> >made available without a fetus being involved. It would make a persons
> >own cells devolve back into a stem cell, which would be ideal because
> >the patient could have their own cells used to treat them.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >Religion, to me, is frightening and ominous when it comes to its
>imposition
> >upon politics and governmental policies.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >I have to agree with you, except I would take out the word Religion and
> >put in the word Zealots. There are plenty of those who are not
Religious.
> >I do not see JK as anything different.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >Why are we there? Nobody can answer that question since Iraq isn't
> >harboring terrorists, (well, they weren't until we got there) they were
>not
> >a direct threat to the security of this country, and lastly, they
>possessed
> >no weapons of mass destruction.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >The official reason we are there is because of the inflated WMD issue.
> >The real reason is because we did not finish the job the first time.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >There's nothing wrong with the United Nations.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >HUH? Read anything about the 'Welfare for Bureaucrats...' err I mean
> >'Oil for Food' program.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >yet the Bush administration blithely went
> >ahead and did what it wanted, regardless of anything the United Nations
> >said or did.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >This was because the people in the UN were in cahoots with Saddam
Hussien,
> >and were going to remain in cahoots as long as the gravy train kept
> >pulling in.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >(i.e., "we can do whatever we want whenever we want" -- lovely, isn't
it?)
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >Ostenably it was because of Iraq's rouge nation status and the inaction
> >on the part of the UN to do anything about it.
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >Go ahead and vote for Bush.
> >
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> >
> >I am not voting for Bush. I am going to vote Democrat.
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