Donnie is right in some cases. I've seen it myself. There's no way that
changing platforms is the right decision for many 3000 shops.
We've got one about to go live to the HP 9000 next month...it's taken a
year...we'll see how it goes.
John Lee
Vaske Computer Solutions
At 11:16 AM 4/24/03 -0500, Donnie Poston wrote:
>
>Let me state first and foremost that I have a stake in this discussion
>due to the fact that I sell software and services to the HP3000/MANMAN
>community. Although I realize this is not a listserver for marketing, I
>felt that I had to say something in support of the HP3000 and not
>migrating away. So, if you don't mind a point of view from a
>vendor......
>
>I have to agree with the folks who have stated the HP3000 will outlast
>other platforms and or be around for many years to come. I have worked
>in the refurb side of HP hardware and there are plenty of parts out
>there. I was still doing bids for HP1000's as late as January of this
>year. There was never a problem locating parts. There are now and will
>be plenty of 3rd party support providers ready to pick up HP's 3000
>slack, if for no other reason than it is a good market. Is the most
>common hardware issue disk drives? Isn't the HP3000 one of the most
>reliable servers ever built? Just because HP is ending support does not
>mean the 3000 suddenly becomes an unstable platform in performance and
>reliability. Originally HP's announcement caused a ripple throughout
>the HP3000 community. But if you do some investigation and stay on this
>listserver, you will find that you are not in as much of a bind as you
>might think. Would you prefer 3rd party 3000 support or having a new
>fully supported hardware platform that is less reliable overall?
>
>There are a lot of HP3000 users who do not wish to migrate. The
>pressure has been put on the community by HP, not by a need to replace
>the 3000. I haven't heard of too many sites happy with their migration
>experiences when leaving the HP3000 and specifically MANMAN. I would
>ask, other than HP announcing "end of support in 2006", what is your
>reason for leaving your MPE based applications? Is there another
>application that will run your business better, is easier to maintain
>and use, and is BULLETPROOF for the next 10-20 years? I am not implying
>that the 3000 has 20 years left, I am implying that just because you
>migrate to IBM or anything else, doesn't guarantee that you won't be in
>the same boat as you are now in 5 years with your new system and
>hardware. Why not look at options for improving or stabilizing your
>current environment?
>
>Since this thread was started by someone trying to see who was going to
>leave the 3000, I will ask; who is staying?
>
>For MANMAN users; we offer a GUI front end for MANMAN. More importantly
>we are converting all of the data to SQL in real time. Our software
>resides on PC's and accesses the HP3000 for the IMAGE data. There are
>many other benefits to using Xactman. If anyone is interested in making
>their MANMAN/HP3000 environment more user friendly and keeping an
>application that they know and rely on into the future, feel free to
>email or call me for more info.
>
>We also offer an IMAGE to SQL conversion tool for any HP3000 user,
>regardless of the application you are running.
>
>Our website is www.quantumleapit.com.
>
>Hope you don't mind my two cents.
>Thanks,
>Donnie
>
>Donnie Poston
>Quantum Software Corporation
>512-916-4766
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Matthew Perdue
>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 1:47 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] New Platform
>
> You missed my point. HP hasn't ended MPE support as you stated in your
>original post. Most likely you meant to say something like "announced
>end of
>sales and end of support dates" - to be accurate. I used to say I
>wouldn't own
>an IBM if somebody gave me one. However, if you wish to forward an
>evaluation
>system for me to review....
>
>[log in to unmask] wrote:
>
>> The early bird.........
>> The best laid plans.......
>> Early to bed.......
>> It's never to early to make a good 1st impression! (my favorite)
>>
>> Seriously, alot of accounts have been looking now to see what is out
>> there. A conversion to a new application can take 1-2 years for
>approval
>> (or more!) and the conversion can take an additional year or so.
>>
>> One HP 3000 App vendor (SSA)is offering a free license(restrictions
>apply
>> of course) for license exchange to the MANMAN base to any of the other
>SSA
>> application products (MK, MAX, BPCS, PRMS, Masterpiece and Infinium).
>>
>> Mitchell K. Kleinman
>> Executive Vice President
>> CCS - an IBM Premier Business Partner
>> 949-476-0874 (Main)
>> 949-261-3298 (Direct)
>> 949-261-9164 (Office Fax)
>> 425-940-1954 (eFax)
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>> Matthew Perdue <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent by: HP-3000 Systems Discussion <[log in to unmask]>
>> 04/22/2003 10:17 AM
>> Please respond to Matthew Perdue
>>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> cc:
>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] New Platform
>>
>> [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>
>> > I am just trying to gauge the usage of products with short term
>> > life-cycles since HP has ended the MPE support. This means customers
>using
>>
>> > Ecommetry and ManMan (among others) will probably have to make a
>switch
>> > from the MPE environment to either:
>>
>> <...snip...>
>> You're a little early. HP support ends 12-31-2006. HP hasn't even
>stopped
>> selling the platform yet, that's 10-31-03, a little over 6 months from
>> now.
>
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