Woo hoo!
On 2/4/23 16:01, Robert Liesenfeld wrote:
> Understood about mirroring. I can’t see any reason why you couldn’t mirror
> two physical SCSI2SD devices.
>
> Their store does indeed appear to take PayPal.
>
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> On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 12:55 Tracy Johnson <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I only used the word "RAID" for mirroring, since mirroring is a.k.a.
>> RAID level 1.
>>
>> For $99, do they take paypal?
>>
>> No hurry, I'd have to wait until it arrives anyway.
>>
>>
>> On 2/4/23 15:42, Robert Liesenfeld wrote:
>>> As Craig says, the SCSI2SD is bootable.
>>>
>>> When I set mine up, I was moving from an existing spinning-disk install
>> so
>>> I did a [log in to unmask]@.@ (or to that effect, I’d have to go look
>> at
>>> my notes to remember exactly, but it’s basically just a full system
>>> backup). I left drive models alone and just set the SCSI2SD vendor to
>>> “HP”. I can find some MAPPER output to show you what I have.
>>>
>>> From there, I booted off of the sysgen tape and restored to the SCSI2SD
>>> volume. I also set up a roughly 12GB volume as additional storage, but I
>>> don’t remember many details from that. I might be able to dig some up if
>>> it’s important. In essence you can create volumes of the size you desire
>>> and use them just like regular SCSI disks on the 3000.
>>>
>>> I’ve never tried multiple SCSI2SDs to accomplish actual multi-device
>> RAID;
>>> in principle I suppose there’s no reason it wouldn’t work, if you set
>>> termination and so forth appropriately so both devices can be seen on the
>>> bus (I think by default termination is enabled on the SCSI2SD). For my
>>> purposes, my MPE/iX install changes slowly enough that I’m comfortable
>> with
>>> a once-every-few-weeks shutdown and backup of the SD card.
>>>
>>> I’ll send the MAPPER output shortly, assuming I can find it.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 12:33 Craig Lalley <
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't answer everything.
>>>> Yes it is bootable, and multiple volume can be defined. I.e 2 * 9GB
>> hard
>>>> drives.
>>>> I suppose you could have two of them if you had two paths.
>>>> But you can't mirror the boot drive.
>>>>
>>>> -Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:28:41 PM PST, Tracy Johnson <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You may be able to answer this right off the bat:
>>>>
>>>> Is the SD "bootable" ?
>>>>
>>>> Can it be made LDEV 1, or only a user volume_set ?
>>>>
>>>> Next questions:
>>>>
>>>> You can't have RAID redundancy with one of these things, but you had TWO
>>>> of 'em, what then?
>>>>
>>>> Oh and another thing, What drive model name does one use in SYSGEN ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/4/23 14:40, Craig Lalley wrote:
>>>>> Tracy,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's $99. Power, but more importantly is the sound. Those Jamaica
>>>>> boxes aren't exactly quite. The SD though....
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course the Jamaica box also helps keep the garage heated.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Craig
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 10:54:35 AM PST, Tracy Johnson
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll have to check pricing. This is my garage machine in retirement,
>>>>> after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something about the wife telling me to not spend "our" money on
>>>> frivolity.
>>>>> Maybe I can use the "energy savings" ploy. She pays no mind to the cost
>>>>> of running two fully loaded Jamaica boxes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/4/23 11:24, Robert Liesenfeld wrote:
>>>>>> Tracy, the Rabbit Hole Computing store is indeed the correct source
>> for
>>>>>> SCSI2SD devices. The V5.2 is the version you'd want, they appear to
>>>>> have
>>>>>> 85 in stock. I have one of these running in my 927LX and it works
>>>>> great.
>>>>>> The ZuluSCSI is new, I don't know if it works or not. The
>>>> RaSCSI/PiSCSI
>>>>>> does *not* work, the BlueSCSI might but I haven't tried that one
>>>> either.
>>>>>> You could set up multiple emulated disks on the SCSI2SD but as
>>>>> they'd all
>>>>>> be written to the same SD card, you wouldn't gain any RAID-like
>>>>> redundancy
>>>>>> from this; however, you could easily remove the SD card (after
>> powering
>>>>>> down of course) and back up its contents to perform full system
>> backups
>>>>>> whenever desired.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you decide to pick up a SCSI2SD I can show you what settings I've
>>>>> used
>>>>>> successfully.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 7:50 AM Craig Lalley <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My memory is fading.
>>>>>>> Can you look for IO errors in the system log?
>>>>>>> LOGTOOL?
>>>>>>> Also, wasn’t there a way in cstm to get IO errors?
>>>>>>> -Craig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023, 7:33 am, Terry Simpkins <
>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to those so quick to react (why aren't you watching Saturday
>>>>>>> morning cartoons?? 😉)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FSCHECK reported only 2 little directory warnings.
>>>>>>> One data group is on the user volume but not the system volume, and
>>>>>>> another data group is "not active on user volume".
>>>>>>> Both of these are MANMAN database groups that are never used. But
>>>> I'll
>>>>>>> get those 'problems' corrected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With no other errors/problems reported, I guess I'll just wait and
>>>>> see if
>>>>>>> another incident occurs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Terry W Simpkins
>>>>>>> Yorktown, VA 23693
>>>>>>> IBA # 8778 SS1000, SS2000, BBG, 50CC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion<[log in to unmask]> On Behalf
>> Of
>>>>>>> Craig Lalley
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2023 9:58 AM
>>>>>>> To:[log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] System abort
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FSCHECK.MPEXL.TELESUP
>>>>>>> ca all
>>>>>>> -Craig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023, 6:52 am, Terry Simpkins <
>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My little 928 had a system failure this morning. My initial
>>>>> suspicion is
>>>>>>> that LDEV #2 has a problem.
>>>>>>> I issued an ‘abortjob’ command from a ‘non-console’ session, and
>>>>> got these
>>>>>>> messages before the command completed successfully:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bad SYSTEM LOGICAL Sector number 0x226A80b on ldev 2
>>>>> (io_status=FFD40071)
>>>>>>> Filename of badfile:/VESOFT/CMD22/SHOWSCH8 Bad SYSTEM LOGICAL Sector
>>>>>>> number 0x226A80b on ldev 2 (io_status=FFD40071) Filename of bad
>>>>>>> file:/VESOFT/CMD22/SHOWSCH8 Bad SYSTEM LOGICAL Sector number
>>>>> 0x226A80ÿ on
>>>>>>> ldev 2 (io_status=FFD40071) Filename of
>> badfile:/VESOFT/CMD22/SHOWSCH8
>>>>>>> Bad SYSTEM LOGICAL Sector number 0x226A80ÿ on ldev 2
>>>>> (io_status=FFD40071)
>>>>>>> Filename of badfile:/VESOFT/CMD22/SHOWSCH8 Bad SYSTEM LOGICAL Sector
>>>>>>> number 0x226A80ÿ on ldev 2 (io_status=FFD40071) Filename of bad
>>>>>>> file:/VESOFT/CMD22/SHOWSCH8
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (There were more of these messages but I didn’t copy everything)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I walked over to the other room where the console is located and
>>>>> found the
>>>>>>> following displayed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> System Abort 1740 from subsystem 107
>>>>>>> Secondary Status: INFO = -44 Subsys = 113 System Halt 7, $06CC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then autorestart kicked in and the system performed a ‘Start
>>>>> NoRecovery’,
>>>>>>> with no reported errors.
>>>>>>> I ran “LISTF” on the file listed above (SHOWSCH8.CMD22.VESOFT)
>>>>> without a
>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>> And then “printed” the file to the screen without generating another
>>>>>>> system halt. If the drive was failing, I thought that would create
>>>>> another
>>>>>>> system failure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any ideas/suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Terry W Simpkins
>>>>>>> Yorktown, VA 23693
>>>>>>> IBA # 8778 SS1000, SS2000, BBG, 50CC
>>>>>>>
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