Shawn,
If I understand the specifics of your complaint correctly you wanted INTEREX
to:
1) Publish a MPE only magazine the quality of the 3000 Newswire.
2) Host a MPE/HP e3000 only conference instead of the current HP World.
Is this correct? Is there more?
Cortlandt Wilson
(650) 966-8555 (home & office)
2280 Latham Street Apt #15
Mountain View, CA 94040
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Shawn Gordon
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Using HP e3000 for the NEXT 25 years.
Wirt has made a great case against Interex many times in the past and their
costs that it's not appropriate for me to try and reproduce it. From my
own perspective of having worked with Interex as an author and contributor
for years, I can speak from that perspective. when I started writing for
Interact it was about 140 pages a month, filled with useful information -
the magazine doesn't even exist now, and the weak publication that is
published is pretty much worthless. The shows use to be about the HP 3000,
now the 3000 is a footnote at the shows it seems. Interex hasn't been much
of an advocate for the 3000 in some time. I remember serious talk a few
years ago about forming an alternative that was focused on the
community. In this same time I saw the quality and quantity in the 3000
News Wire explode (and not just because of my own contributions) - this
proved there was a market for it, but Interex was too disinterested to
pursue it.
I had intense battles with the editorial staff towards the end, which
resulted in at least one person getting fired over there. I think Interex
is irrelevant, has been for years, and will be more so in the near
future. There are lots of volunteers who have done good things using the
Interex banner, but Interex as an organization (IMO) is a lost
cause. Remember what my CFO always tells me, opinions are like assholes -
everyones got one.
At 04:02 PM 11/26/2001, Cortlandt Wilson wrote:
>Shawn,
>
> > [Interex] been marginal over the last 5 years at
> > best, and I certainly don't see any reason to renew
> > let alone join if you aren't a member.
> > What is the logic?
>
>While I agree that Denys (and others) need to make a more explicit case for
>membership the same reasoning works both ways. I suggest it's up to the
>critics such as yourself to explain how Interex been "marginal" in the last
>5 years. So for instance, what specific actions would make Interex
>non-marginal?
>
>You see I'm betting that if one listed the reasonable actions and impacts
>one expected from Interex in the last few years we would find that Interex
>was active in many of them.
>
>Cortlandt Wilson
>(650) 966-8555
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
>Behalf Of Shawn Gordon
>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:45 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Using HP e3000 for the NEXT 25 years.
>
>
>On Monday 26 November 2001 02:33 pm, Denys Beauchemin wrote:
> > An excellent question Mr. Clark. Interex certainly can AND will play a
> > part in whatever future is created for MPE. Already the Interex web
site
> > has some announcements about this issue and there will be more
> > announcements forthcoming, trust me on this (next week or week after.)
> >
> > In the meantime, let me once again urge every Interex member to renew
>their
> > membership when it comes due and for those of you who are not members,
if
> > there ever was a time to join Interex, it is now
> >
>Certainly not intending to downplay your significant contributions to that
>organization over time, but they've been marginal over the last 5 years at
>best, and I certainly don't see any reason to renew let alone join if you
>aren't a member. What is the logic?
>
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Denys. . .
> >
> > Denys Beauchemin
> > HICOMP
> > (800) 323-8863 (281) 288-7438 Fax: (281) 288-7438
> > denys at hicomp.com www.hicomp.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf
> > Of Clark, Rick
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:41 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Using HP e3000 for the NEXT 25 years.
> >
> > I'll admit I have not fully followed this conversation and I apologize
if
> > this has already been noted, but going through some of my old bookmarks
I
> > stumbled across an Interex article discussing MPE "Shared Source".
> > http://www.interex.org/tech/3000/hp30003.html
> >
> > This tells me that at one time there was discussion on the merits of
'Open
> > source' for MPE and Interex would provide the host for these shared
> > programs. The initial source codes available were to be Query, Editor
and
> > Java Class libraries.
> >
> > Is this now a dead issue with the announcement of the death of the
hp3000?
> > Can Interrex help in the future of Open MPE?
> >
> >
> > Rick Clark
> > Systems Manager
> > Weltman, Weinberg & Reis
> > Cleveland, Ohio
> >
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shahan, Ray [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:53 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Using HP e3000 for the NEXT 25 years.
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> >
> > What about an MPE shell for UNIX or LINUX?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cortlandt Wilson [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:52 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Using HP e3000 for the NEXT 25 years.
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > RE: continue to run HP e3000s *after* HP's
> > > announced "end of (HP) support" date at end of 2006
> > >
> > > The 3rd party vendors are there. They are needed. What in my mind
is
> > > missing is the fate of MPE/iX itself.
> > >
> > > I appreciate that CSY
> > > 1) wants to do what is right for the user community as a whole
> > > (about which open source is but one possible solution)
> > > 2) wants to only promise or indicate what CSY can and will deliver
> > > Never the less I would like to hear from CSY a statement that CSY is
> > > committed to/intending to/currently planning on finding a new home for
> > > the MPE/iX source code. In my thinking there is a big difference
> > > between "looking at" options and saying that one is committed to
finding
> > > a solution.
> > >
> > > I suggest that finding out more about CSY's thinking on this is a
> > > important
> > > advocacy issue for the MPE Forum and Interex SIG Leaders.
> >
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Shawn Gordon
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