Jon,
I think Michael is saying that homesteading is best in *most* cases. I
think both David and I were saying that it depends on your situation, but
most of the people in our user groups have discussed migrating. This
response may be due to the type of presentations we have had at our
meetings, mainly on migration planning. I would be more than happy to have
someone from the OpenMPE movement come and talk to our members. Our annual
Symposium in April in Indianapolis would be a perfect time. I am interested
in helping the members gain information and make informed choices.
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan M. Backus [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:53 PM
To: 'Ron J. Frenken'; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] HP RUG's
Ron,
I think Michael's point is that while migration is one option,
homesteading
is another, and should be considered. It's understood that many companies
will choose to migrate for the various reason that you and David have
mentioned. It should also be understood that staying with MPE is also a
choice. Companies should fairly and evenly evaluate all options and then
decide how to move forward, based on what is best for their particular
situation. I don't think Michael is saying everybody should turn a blind
eye to migrating, just that they should have both eyes open to all the
possibilities.
Thanx,
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Ron J. Frenken
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:51 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] HP RUG's
David,
I am the INRUG president, and I agree with your comments. We were lucky
enough to have George and Alvina give a full day presentation last April on
migration. Judging from the comments in the room, many people were still
upset with HP for the EOL announcement. Most people were still in the
planning phase, but are planning to migrate. The biggest worry was can it
be done before 2006.
You mention an HP e3000 transition tour. Do you have links for where and
when?
Regards,
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: Vivino, David [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:11 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] HP RUG's
Michael...
I hold your same position at NEORUG (Northeast Ohio). We are all dealing
with these same issues. The reason most folks are planning to migrate away
from MPE is that HP won't support it any longer. Pretty sound reasoning.
They think the risk is too high to plan to stay with MPE over the long haul.
>I use the word "Emotionally" because I think that when you really think
>this through, in most cases you'll see that staying with M.P.E. is the
>best choice, at least for the next 10 years.
Many would disagree with this, of course. It will be hard to convince
company leaders to stay on a platform whose vendor is dropping it. Over the
last 10-15 years, software vendors have developed fewer and fewer
applications that run on MPE. The trend continues.
>It seems most of the Regional Users Groups
>members have lost interest in attending RUG meetings, anyone opinions of
>'Why' is most welcome.
In years past HP itself heavily promoted the RUGs. Today, they do next to
nothing.
Additionally, many IT folks now have multiple operating systems to manage.
That dilutes the interest and attention to HP, MPE, and the RUG meetings.
In the coming months, HP is sponsoring a e3000 Transition Tour. Yours
(Houston) is on Nov 14th. The agenda includes topics on "migration" and
"transition", but nothing on "homesteading." Yes, in the past it was much
different, but now HP is there to help us all get off of MPE and onto
something else, they hope HP-UX.
...Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 12:12 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [HP3000-L] HP RUG's
Recently, I have been appointed to the BOD of Greater Houston RUG, Vice
Chair of M.P.E., on a temporary basis until the next election. I would
like to have someone like 'Wirt' speak about the reasons to stay with
M.P.E. (I did read Wirt's reasoning on the AICS web-site), or maybe
someone from the OpenMPE. BOD. Also some other migration options, like
Linux, RM-COBOL or GNU COBOL, HP-Eloquence, QCTERM, using Advanced
Telnet. Additionally I would like to see the High dollar solution of
migrating from M.P.E. to HPUX, Oracle, because that seems to be what a
lot of users want to do. Heck, we may even bring in an I.B.M. solution.
I would like the M.P.E. potion of our upcoming meeting to be geared
toward both Migrating off the M.P.E. platform, and Staying on the M.P.E.
platform. For the following reasons: 1. Our mission statement is
basically to represent the Users of HP computers. 2. Some of our users
would like to stay on the M.P.E. platform, but don't see how. 3. Most
M.P.E. users seem to be in favor of Migrating off of the M.P.E.
platform. The reason for the favored choice to Migrate off M.P.E. is
because they have not been given a better option, or they have an
emotionally motivated enthusiasm to go to a different/popular platform.
I use the word "Emotionally" because I think that when you really think
this through, in most cases you'll see that staying with M.P.E. is the
best choice, at least for the next 10 years. Ten years from today many
more options will exist. It seems most of the Regional Users Groups
members have lost interest in attending RUG meetings, anyone opinions of
'Why' is most welcome. I have a theory or two myself. Is it the content
of the shows? Is it a M.P.E. problem, or HPUX, or both? Could it be
related to the separation of M.P.E. & HPUX users?What M.P.E. content
would you like to see at the next RUG meeting?What would it take to get
you to attend? --
Michael Anderson
Spring Independent School District
16717 Ella Boulevard
Houston, Texas 77090-4299
office: 281.586.1105
fax: 281.586.1187
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