<<Either I'm extremely dense, or you're forgetting your own
premises:

        >  2)      Subscribing requires either a machine-verified source
address or
        >  owner approval....

        >  Again, I just don't
        >  see that as a big deal. The gateway would, I assume, still allow
postings
        to
        >  the list to appear on the newsgroup,

        As I read those two statements, I deduce that I must post to the
list using a
        legitimate, machine-verifiable address -- and after my posting
appears on the
        list, it will automatically be gated over onto the newsgroup, where
the whole
        world sees it ("it" being my legitimate, machine-verifiable
address). That
        ain't zero risk.>>


Absolutely. Unless the linking software has the capability to strip out the
sender's address, that is (Jeff?) Of course, then we'd have to play the
"decode my address" game too. We're kind of mixing different subjects here,
but you're completely correct that echoing list traffic out to the newsgroup
exposes all of us. That's why I'd like to see the link broken, and the list
set to subscriber-only posting. Mail is mail, and news is news. If I want to
read newsgroups, I use Agent.

Steve