Shawn,

I thought you already knew. Then you must have had time to read as well.
You know, not only company-owners can read or have time to read.
Ever heard of "break" or fast-read?
Just trying to keep the poor people updated that do not have the time to
read ;->

Michael



On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:17:14 -0800, Shawn Gordon <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

>lordy but I find it impossible to follow what you say - when do you find
>time to work?
>
>At 02:07 PM 12/9/2004, Michael Baier wrote:
>>Guess what,
>>I talked to several guys I know that already been in Iraq thru the
National
>>Guard. They say exactly the same thing.
>>Even more, After months, they still wait for the pay.
>>But the bill-collectors are not that patriotic.
>>They want to see money.
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:34:29 -0800, Shawn Gordon <[log in to unmask]>
>>wrote:
>>
>> >You know what Michael?  We all see and read the news, you need to get
over
>> >the fact that you lost the election and move on.  You obviously missed
the
>> >addition to this story that a journalist had fed the questions to the
>>troops.
>> >
>> >At 12:54 PM 12/9/2004, Michael Baier wrote:
>> >>After 21 month into the war and over 100billion spend, Rumsfeld finally
>> >>talkes to the soldiers (not generals) and guess what "I don't know what
>>the
>> >>facts are"
>> >>Embarrassing to say the least.
>> >>But his boss gives him 4 more years to make a better military.
>> >>Who does these guys talk to? nobody that has the facts.
>> >>4 more years.
>> >>Where's the sticker "I didn't vote for him"?
>> >>
>> >>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
>> >>tmpl=story&cid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20041209/ts_nm/iraq_usa_rumsfeld_dc_11
>> >>
>> >>Bush, Rumsfeld Try to Soothe Angry U.S. Troops
>> >>
>> >>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush said on Thursday U.S. troop
concerns
>> >>about inadequate equipment for Iraq combat are being addressed and he
did
>> >>not blame soldiers for raising the issue with Defense Secretary Donald
>> >>Rumsfeld.
>> >>
>> >>A day after he was bombarded with criticism from U.S. soldiers based in
>> >>Kuwait, Rumsfeld promised more would be done to protect forces. He also
>> >>said steps were being taken to deal with explosive devices, a leading
>>cause
>> >>of death in Iraq, where more than 1,000 American soldiers have been
killed
>> >>in action.
>> >>
>> >>Since invading Iraq last year, administration critics have accused it
of
>> >>failing to send adequate forces and armor to stabilize the country,
>> >>allowing the current bloody insurgency to develop.
>> >>
>> >>The latest complaints put the administration further on the defensive.
>>Bush
>> >>had rejected charges from Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry in the
>> >>campaign for last month's election that military forces in Iraq did not
>> >>have sufficient protection.
>> >>
>> >>"The concerns expressed are being addressed, and that is, we expect our
>> >>troops to have the best possible equipment. And if I were a soldier
>> >>overseas, wanting to defend my country, I'd want to ask the secretary
of
>> >>defense the same question," Bush said.
>> >>
>> >>He told reporters in an Oval Office event that he has been telling
>>military
>> >>families that "we're doing everything we possibly can to protect your
>>loved
>> >>ones in a mission which is vital and important."
>> >>
>> >>California Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Leader in the House of
>> >>Representatives, said Rumsfeld should be fired.
>> >>
>> >>She said the Iraq war "began 21 months ago and Secretary Rumsfeld has
>>still
>> >>not done what is necessary, which is his highest duty, to protect our
>> >>troops to the greatest degree possible. No CEO in America would retain
a
>> >>manager with so clear a record of failure and neither should President
>> >>Bush."
>> >>
>> >>Meeting with troops in Kuwait on Wednesday, Rumsfeld heard several
>> >>complaints, including one from Spc. Thomas Wilson that U.S. forces were
>> >>forced to dig up scrap metal to protect their vehicles in Iraq because
of
>>a
>> >>shortage of armored ones.
>> >>
>> >>"CONSTRUCTIVE EXCHANGE"
>> >>
>> >>"I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit
>>down
>> >>with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make
sure
>> >>he knows what they know that he may not know, and that's a good thing.
I
>> >>think it's a very constructive exchange," Rumsfeld told reporters
>>traveling
>> >>with him on Thursday in India, another stop on a regional tour.
>> >>
>> >>As the military adjusts to changing tactics of the insurgency, it
requires
>> >>different types of equipment and approaches, Rumsfeld said. "It doesn't
>> >>happen instantaneously, but it has been happening pretty rapidly," he
>>said.
>> >>
>> >>The criticism came just days after the White House announced Rumsfeld
>>would
>> >>stay on in Bush's second-term Cabinet and the White House closed ranks
>> >>behind him.
>> >>
>> >>"In terms of Secretary Rumsfeld, I think it's important for those at
the
>> >>top of the chain of command to hear from those who wear the uniform,
>> >>especially those on the front lines in harm's way," said White House
>> >>spokesman Scott McClellan.
>> >>
>> >>But late night television comedians seized on the issue, and comic Jay
>>Leno
>> >>poked fun at Rumsfeld for saying that armor did not always provide
>> >>protection. "Then he got in his armored car and left," said Leno to
laughs
>> >>from his audience.
>> >>
>> >>In an apparent effort to damp down the political fallout the U.S.
general
>> >>in charge of coalition ground forces in Iraq vowed on Thursday to make
>>sure
>> >>that all American military vehicles - including trucks - driven into
Iraq
>> >>in the future would contain at least minimal armor plating.
>> >>
>> >>"And so we're continuing to work feverishly to ensure that they make
our
>> >>requirement that nobody goes north without it," Army Lt. Gen. Steven
>> >>Whitcomb told Pentagon reporters in a hastily arranged teleconference
from
>> >>Kuwait, where U.S. troops have been gathering before entering Iraq.
>> >>
>> >>Whitcomb told reporters progress had been made since August of last
year
>>to
>> >>upgrade armor on "Humvee" jeeps, although the military was still about
>> >>2,000 short of 8,100 "up-armored" heavily-protected Humvees requested
by
>> >>commanders in Iraq.
>> >>
>> >>The House Armed Services Committee, meanwhile, released a list
indicating
>> >>that only about 1,100 medium and heavy U.S. military trucks out of some
>> >>9,000 in the Iraq and Afghanistan regions had received needed
protection
>> >>for their cabs.
>> >>
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>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Shawn Gordon
>> >President
>> >theKompany.com
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>
>Shawn Gordon
>President
>theKompany.com
>www.thekompany.com
>www.mindawn.com
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