Hi,

HP-UX comes with fbackup that is integrated into SAM or you can run it at
the command line. This is adequate for many sites.  If there are special
things that you want to do with your backup, you may want a 3rd party
software package, just as you would on your 3000.  Typically, Omniback is
not well liked, however, it has improved greatly in the last few releases.
If you want an all-HP package, you can go with Omniback. There are many
popular 3rd party packages.  Veritas seems to be the favorite currently.

Just at you have the option of purchasing Glance for the 3000, Glance is
also available for the 9000.  Lund also sells their performance product on
both versions.  If you want to collect data over a period of time, you need
to purchase the measureware agent (just like on the 3000).  To view this
collected data, you need PerfView.  All 3 of these products come with a 90
day free trial.

Spool file management is a different issue. For starters, there aren't
"standard lists" like on the 3000. It depends what you need to do with your
spoolfiles (and by that, on HP-UX, that means strictly print jobs). If there
are special things you are doing, you may need some software. If all you are
doing is sending print jobs, it should be OK on its own.

Security is a different issue.  <WARNING! PLUG!>  The cheapest solution is
to purchase my book, HP-UX Security
(http://newfdog.hpwebhost.com/hpuxsecurity).  HP also has 2 HP-UX related
security classes. I also teach classes.  The good news about security on
HP-UX, is that it isn't going to cost you extra money.  You do not need to
by any additional software unless you are a bank (or something like that)
running a web server, in which case you would want one of the virtual vault
products.  (But, you'd need this even if you were running a 3000).

I think the biggest difference for most MPE administrators is just the
concepts of admin work. For example, there aren't roles in UNIX like there
is in MPE.  (Example, you have manager.sys, operator.sys, etc..). In UNIX
you have all (root) or something else.  In MPE you are used to having your
operators be operators so that they can do backups, etc.. In UNIX there
isn't a special class for this type of user, yet perhaps the operator needs
root privileges to complete their tasks. The administrator is left with the
task of figuring out how to give the operator the permissions they need to
do their job without giving permissions that could end up destroying the
system (re: earlier discussion on the "rm" command).   If you are an Interex
member, you can see a free webinar on this very topic that I did at HP
World.  There is a link to it off my web page listed above.   In short,
there are 4 different ways of handling this problem.  They are all free, as
most things in UNIX are.  The short of this example: there are multiple ways
in HP-UX to accomplish the same task.

Another thing you'll have to face is managing users. Again, there are
multiple ways to do this. Coming from MPE you'll need to understand what the
different options are for all different areas and try to figure out which
way is best for your environment.

If you think a vendor is trying to sell you something you don't need, run it
by me or another HP-UX person first. Typically what you do want to see on a
HP-UX quote for software is Online JFS.  This allows you to increase a
filesystem while it is mounted and in use. Without this product, you have to
unmount the file system (which means no one can be accessing it =
downtime).  There are also additional features with this product, such as
snapshots and defragmentation, but probably 98% of those that buy it do so
for this one feature.

I'll be trying to address these sort of issues in a new column in the
Interex magazine starting in March. If there is something specific you would
like to see, let me know.

Also, Jonathan Backus and I have been talking about doing some training at
his site (techgroupmd.com), perhaps in Feb.  We'll keep you posted.

As for sizing the hardware, the rep should be able to help you a great deal
with that. A lot of it will depend on the database that you are going to
use, number of users, and the number of peripherals.

- Chris Wong

"Barnes, Dennis" wrote:

> I've always been tremendously impressed with the breadth of knowledge by
> the users of this list and I now find myself in need of your wisdom and
> experience.  We are facing a migration from our beloved HP-3000 to the
> HP-9000 because we need to expand our MIS capabilities in short order.
> Our search for a suitable MIS package began well before the November 14
> announcement, but it has certainly influenced our choices.
>
> Over the years I have heard HP-UX sites talk about separately purchasing
> software and utilities that we in the MPE world took for granted because
> they were part of the operating system.  As we begin to configure an
> HP-UX machine, I am wondering what software I should include in the
> purchase.  Will I need such items as backup software (no more
> turbostore), performance monitoring and management (no more glance),
> spool file management, security, etc.?
>
> Any suggestions on software that I need to look for would be greatly
> appreciated.  Any tips on sizing the hardware for performance
> considerations would be welcome, also.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Dennis Barnes
> Director of Information Technology
> Wharton County Junior College
> 911 Boling Hwy.
> Wharton, TX 77488
> (979) 532-6329 voice
> (979) 532-6545 fax
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