In message <[log in to unmask]>, Donna Garverick
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>"Chana, Harpreet TCS1C" touches on a subject near to my heart:
>
>> Is it possible We can manage System Administration in MPE/iX like HP-UX
>> system Administration (select the operation and execute). It would be much
>> easy to manage the system for new learners.
>
>i'm interested in hearing how/why you think managing a hp-ux box is easier.
>really....

Because he isn't starting from a level playing field. Unix
administration may very well be more difficult than MPE administration
if you know neither, but if you already know Unix admin, then
administering an MPE box that way (if it would let you) is a lot easier
than learning MPE admin..
>
>> I am also agree with this question. Why hot HP trying to convert
>> Administration like HP-Ux system Administration.
>> My one of the customer is also migration from HP3000 system  to HP-UX, just
>> because HP-UX is easy to manage through system administration.
>
>i'm amazed at this statement.  if anything, there are more tools on the unix
>side to aid in admining because -- in my experience -- admining unix is so much
>more difficult than on mpe.

I dare say he means that finding, and setting on, Unix admins is easier
than finding MPE admins....
>
>i think perhaps the knee-jerk reaction is to say -- why is this a problem?  but
>you've also asked the question to a bunch of 'grey hairs' :-)
>imo, because so many of us are hanging onto our mpe boxes with our finger
>tips....

More and more recently, we have seen people pitch up here saying 'I've
inherited this HP3000 thingy which nobody knows anything about - how do
I work it?'

Now, it's probably been quietly running several of their
mission-critical systems so uncomplainingly that nobody knew it was
there. Or they thought it was a PABX, or something... :-)

How much more likely are they to keep it going if the new admin can tend
it using the Unix admin skills he is familiar with, than if they are
suddenly face with learning MPE stuff? It's gonna get switched out ASAP
in that case.

Don't forget, when we learned MPE skills, we were building a career
path. For today's Unix admins, learning MPE is just time out, alas.


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