My point exactly!

Why would a customer want a proprietary HP-UX when what he is being told to
dump is a proprietary MPE.

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cagle [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:32 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Migration : Is HP-UX the right choice ?

 There are significant technical issues with replacing HP-UX with
Linux. If HP owned the OS, they could be overcome. HP does *not*
own the OS; you can't modify the kernel, for example, without
getting other people to agree. This severely limits the amount of
"innovation" that a particular vendor can place into the kernel.
Currently, this means that Linux is way behind the curve on
supporting large systems. SGI is shipping such a system but it's
seriously hacked the kernel and is outside the Linux mainstream.

These are not unsolvable problems but remember that the Linux
development model is radically different than the UX one.

- Greg

Tim Cummings wrote:

> My guess is that given time, HP will dump HP-UX for Linux just like they
> dumped MPE for Unix.  Yes, I know, you'll say "why would you dump a proven
> platform for one that is inferior", and the answer will be "because it is
> too proprietary".  Everything is relative!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Landin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:17 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Migration : Is HP-UX the right choice ?
>
>  On 8 Jul 2003 03:55:41 -0700, [log in to unmask] (Roshan Shah) wrote:
>
>
>>a) HP says it is committed to HP-UX(HP9000) on the long haul ?
>>  Do they have a number i.e for next N Number of years!
>
>
> Not that I've seen. Have any vendors of a major O/S published a number
> for their operating system? What number would you feel comfortable
> with? If HP published a number, would you believe it?
>
>
>>b) Can they come forward and declare that if they they will make HP-UX
>>open source if at all they decide to dump that too ?
>
>
> I haven't seem them do this either. I wouldn't expect them to make
> such a statement until they had decided that they were abandoning
> HP-UX, and since that hasn't happened yet, neither has any open source
> announcement.
>
> I know that MPE folks are leery about HP's plans for ANY of their
> operating systems. Having lived on both sides of the street (that
> would be MPE and HP-UX, folks) I feel, as do the majority of HP-UX
> users, that HP's reasons for killing MPE just do not apply to HP-UX.
> They are completely different markets. HP-UX makes too much money for
> HP. There probably orders of magnitude more HP-UX (and now Tru64)
> systems out there than there ever were e3000s. It's a huge market and
> HP continues to invest in development and acquisitions to grow their
> market share. In some areas, they are the #1 player in the market, an
> odd position to be in if you are contemplating getting out of that
> market.
>
>
>>Should one be suggesting to the client to use Linux ( Open Source ) or
>>Microsoft Platforms(Licencing Fees and too frequent update is a
>>headache! )... at least there are so many developers/ISV's out there
>>for these!
>
>
> One should suggest whatever meets the client's requirements in terms
> of application availability, security, performance, reliability, cost
> to purchase AND operate, etc.  There is no "one size fits all" answer,
> and anybody who says different likely works at Microsoft. Each
> possible answer has strengths and weaknesses. It is your job, as a
> consultant, to know what those are, and to and evaluate them relative
> to your client's needs.
>
> Should you suggest Linux? Yes, in some cases. Should you suggest
> Windows? Although I must fight my gag reflex, yes, you should in some
> cases.
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