Also have heard 4GL's like Powerhouse referred to as 'non-procedural'.
Al
On Jul 1, 2015, 5:42 PM, at 5:42 PM, Terry O'Brien <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Thanks for the quick feedback and although welcomed, the discussion on
>specific wording is typically done in the Wikipedia Talk page for a
>specific article.
>
>Certainly during the mainstream HP3000 era, Powerhouse, Speedware,
>Protos, and others products available on the HP3000 were collectively
>referred to as 4GLs.
>
>It did point out that I failed to hyperlink the term back to
>Fourth-generation Language Wikipedia article which is considered
>important to do. I'll catch that when I add the references.
>
>Terry
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of BraveHeart Wallace
>Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 03:16 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Wikipedia TurboImage article
>
>From Wikipedia
>
>
>A *fourth-generation programming language* (*4GL*) is a computer
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer> programming language
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language> envisioned as a
>refinement of the style of languages classified as third-generation
>programming language
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-generation_programming_language>
>(3GL). Each of the programming language generations
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language_generations> aims
>to provide a higher level of abstraction
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction_layer> of the internal
>computer hardware <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_hardware>
>details, making the language more programmer
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmer>-friendly,
>powerful and versatile. While the definition of 4GL has changed over
>time, it can be typified by operating more with large collections of
>information at once rather than focus on just bits
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit>
>and bytes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte>. Languages claimed to be
>4GL may include support for database
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database>
>management, report generation
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_generator>, mathematical
>optimization <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_optimization>,
>GUI development
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_user_interface_builder>, or
>web development <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_development>.
>Fourth-generation languages have often been compared to domain-specific
>languages <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-specific_language>
>(DSLs).
>Some researchers state that 4GLs are a subset of DSLs.[1]
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_programming_language#cite_note-1>
>[2]
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_programming_language#cite_note-2>
>
>
>I found another definition:
>
><<Quote>>
>
>Often abbreviated *4GL,* fourth-generation languages are programming
>languages <http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/P/programming_language.html>
>closer to human languages
><http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/L/language.html>
>than typical high-level programming languages
><http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/H/high_level_language.html>. Most 4GLs
><http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/F/fourth_generation_language.html> are
>used to access <http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/A/access.html> databases
><http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/database.html>. For example, a typical
>4GL command <http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/command.html>is
>
>FIND ALL RECORDS WHERE NAME IS "SMITH"
><<End quote>>
>
>
>Unfortunately the higher the level of language the less discrete
>control.
>
>Kent
>
>On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Tom Lang <
>[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> It is very interesting that you have taken up this task.
>>
>> I read your article and have a gripe, in-as-much-as you use the term
>> "Fourth Generation Language".
>> (e.g. "Several Fourth Generation Language products (Powerhouse,
>> Transact, Speedware, Protos) became available from third party
>> vendors".)
>>
>> I am aware of Machine Code (First Generation) which is executable.
>> I am aware of Assembler languages (Second Generation) which convert
>> Assembler code into Machine Code for execution.
>> I am aware of Compiler languages (Third Generation) which convert
>> directly into Machine Code for execution.
>>
>> I have always challenged the term "Fourth Generation Language"
>because
>> I am aware of none.
>>
>> There are 'products' (such as Powerhouse, Speedware, etc.) which make
>
>> the claim to be a "4GL" but never has anyone given me a name, or
>> explained to me what "Fourth Generation Language" the product is
>> using, and where I can study this so-called language.
>>
>> There is a major difference between a product and a language.
>>
>> The Marketing Department at these companies have done such a stellar
>> job that their 'jingle' seems to have remained, and now is ensconced
>> in Wikipedia via your article.
>>
>> So will you name names and provide the names of the languages
>referred
>> in your use of the term "Fourth Generation Language"?
>>
>> Kindest Regards,
>> Tom.
>>
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>
>
>
>--
>Thanks
>Kent Wallace
>425-306-8327
>
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