Tracy, to change from START RECOVERY to START NORECOVERY, just add the letters "N" and "O" in that order. Runs and hides 😉
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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Tracy Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 3:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Files not stored from sysgen
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I don't remember exactly how to change from START RECOVERY to START NORECOVERY.
But I do recall that if you after a reboot, and you're willing to wait for that magic 10 seconds to hit the "any" key (inside joke there) at the console, you can interrupt the process.
Then there is a menu item at the prompt where you can turn that pesky autoboot off.
At least you can then manually type START NORECOVERY yourself.
(Maybe the startup string can also be changed at the same menu, not sure.)
I'll take the empire machine down and test it out to refresh my memory.
When I'm sure I'll make a new post.
On 12/21/21 4:13 PM, Robert Liesenfeld wrote:
> Thank you to everyone for your sage advice! I was able to
> successfully back up and restore my system from the spinning SCSI drives to a SCSI2SD.
> Unfortunately my SCSI2SD v6 didn't seem to be seen by the system, so
> I'm on a 5.2; this means less performance but as this is a hobby
> system, I'm not too concerned.
>
> I have a few more questions that I hope someone can help me with, or
> at least point me in the right direction.
>
> What terminal app do you all recommend for use under Windows? I found
> QCTerm on hpmuseum.net and it seems to be the best freely available
> option, but it has a few minor bugs. And, on one system, I somehow
> got it into a state where it won't start anymore. I've also tried
> freevt3k/xhpterm but this seems very limited and hasn't had any
> attention in years, as far as I can tell. I applied for an evaluation
> version of Reflection, which is what I recall using in the 90s, but
> the response has been resounding silence from the company (now Micro
> Focus). I imagine they probably don't have anyone working the sales pipeline for HP 3000 terminal software any longer.
>
> I have my 927LX connected via Ethernet, and was able to figure out
> NMMGR, NETCONTROL, NSCONTROL, and how to stream the INETD job. I
> added these commands to my SYSSTART.PUB.SYS, but NETCONTROL and
> NSCONTROL always seem to fail. If I log in as MANAGER.SYS and run the
> commands manually, everything works fine. What am I doing wrong here?
>
> Why can't I log in after START RECOVERY ? If I allow the system to
> boot automatically, ISL performs an automatic START RECOVERY. Once
> the system boots, HELLO MANAGER.SYS fails; I forget the exact message
> but something about the system being unavailable or busy. I'm
> guessing there's some "recovery is done" flag I have to set as
> OPERATOR.SYS after booting, but I don't have the first clue where to find this. Any thoughts?
> Alternatively, is there a way to convince ISL to automatically boot
> with START NORECOVERY? Again since this is a hobby machine for me,
> I'm not concerned with restarting running jobs.
>
> Thanks again for any advice.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 7:42 AM Tracy Johnson <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>> Me too. The ability for "online" backups such as Turbostore and
>> other 3rd party backups also lets you store those other "pesky"
>> un-storable files. (Which may add a little redundancy to that CLST.)
>>
>> On 12/20/21 10:30 AM, Keven Miller (3kG) wrote:
>>> I recall that SWITCHLOG suggestion - but apparently have not
>>> implemeted it.
>>>
>>> I've choosen to keep my CSLT and BACKUPS separate.
>>> Speeds up the CSLT creation. Separate tapes for each part.
>>>
>>> Here is part of my FULLBACK job
>>>
>>> !SETVAR BACKLIST "FB" +RHT("0!HPYEAR",2) +RHT("0!HPMONTH",2) &
>>> ! +RHT("0!HPDATE",2)
>>> !
>>> !FILE OFFLINE=!BACKLIST.LOG.LAB;DEV=DISC;DISC=400000;NOCCTL
>>> !FILE FULLBACK;DEV=AUTO7
>>> !
>>> !IF NOT FINFO ( "BULDJOB1", "EXISTS" ) THEN
>>> ! BULDACCT @
>>> !ENDIF
>>> !
>>> !ECHO @[log in to unmask] >>BACK
>>> !ECHO @[log in to unmask] >>BACK
>>> !ECHO @[log in to unmask]@[log in to unmask]@[log in to unmask]@.LAB-!HPSPOOLID.OUT.HPSPOOL >>BACK
>>> !PRINT BACK
>>> !
>>> !STORE ^BACK;*FULLBACK;SHOW=OFFLINE;DIRECTORY;PROGRESS=5;&
>>> ! ONERR=QUIT;STATISTICS
>>> !
>>> !SHOWVAR STORE@
>>> !
>>>
>>> It creates the OFFLINE store listing in FByymmdd.LOG.LAB.
>>> Does a BULDACCT for recreating the directory structure Stores the
>>> SYS account first. Allows me access to system tools
>>> while the long process of restore proceeds.
>>> If you have many accounts alphabetically before SYS, you would
>>> not have
>>> access to SYS until all that restored.
>>> Store my LAB account, with all my other tools - done first for same
>>> reason as SYS.
>>> Finally, stores the whole system, minus all that I stored before.
>>> Also not the minus of WGCONFIG, and this job's SPOOLFILE.
>>>
>>> When ran with no other jobs, I get the same list as you.
>>>
>>> 8 /SYS/PUB/DSTLGTAB NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 9 /SYS/PUB/DSTLID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 10 /SYS/PUB/DSTRINS NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 11 /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC1 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 12 /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC2 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 13 /SYS/PUB/FPROTECT NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 14 /SYS/PUB/HFFFFFFA NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 15 /SYS/PUB/HFFFFFFB NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 16 /SYS/PUB/HPGID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 17 /SYS/PUB/HPGIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 18 /SYS/PUB/HPUID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 19 /SYS/PUB/HPUIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 20 /SYS/PUB/JMATFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 21 /SYS/PUB/JOBQFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 22 /SYS/PUB/LOADLIST NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 23 /SYS/PUB/LOG0123 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 24 /SYS/PUB/MEMLOG NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 25 /SYS/PUB/NMLG0129 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 26 /SYS/PUB/SL NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Liesenfeld"
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>
>>>> :print storeset.pub.sys
>>>> @[log in to unmask]@;PROGRESS;SHOW=DATES;DIRECTORY;ONVS=MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET,DE
>>>> V
>>>>
>>>> sysgen> ta dest=offline store=^storeset.pub.sys
>>>>
>>>> /HPSPOOL/OUT/O100 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /HPSPOOL/OUT/O99 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/MPEXL/WGCONFIG NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTLGTAB NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTLID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTRINS NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC1 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC2 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/FPROTECT NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPGID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPGIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPUID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPUIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/JMATFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/JOBQFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/LOADLIST NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/LOG0015 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/LOG4ONLN NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/MEMLOG NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/NMLG0014 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING /SYS/PUB/SL
>>>> NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>
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