According to excerpts of a speech Archbishop Desmond Tutu was to deliver.

"How wonderful if politicians could bring themselves to admit they are only
fallible human creatures, and not God, and thus by definition can make
mistakes," according to excerpts of the speech published in Monday's
Independent newspaper, which is sponsoring the event.

"Unfortunately, they seem to think that such an admission is a sign of
weakness," Tutu said. "Weak and insecure people hardly ever say 'sorry'. It
is large-hearted and courageous people who are not diminished by saying, 'I
made a mistake.' President Bush and Prime Minister Blair would recover
considerable credibility and respect if they were able to say, 'Yes, we
made a mistake'."

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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:12:30 +0000, Roy Brown
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>In message <[log in to unmask]>, Brice Yokem
><[log in to unmask]> writes
>>>The oil comment was Mr. Browns idea, I was just responding to it.
>>
>>I can't claim any credit for originating the idea, though, just quoting
>>it.
>>
>>----------------
>>
>>You did not quote it from me, which Michael seemed not to know.
>
>I was using 'quote' in its pre-Usenet sense of repeating something I had
>heard, or read, and not in the sense of reproducing something from
>earlier in a thread.
>
>Anyway, I couldn't quote you, as your quoting is horribly broken... :-(
>
>>>The Taliban (including Osama) is active in the sence they are trying
>>>to keep out of our gunsights.  I have not seen any airplanes flown
>>>into any buildings in the last couple years, so they are not active
>>>in that sense.
>
>>Are you aware that several flights to the USA, from the UK and France,
>>have been delayed (for up to three days) or cancelled lately?
>>And in one instance, that several gentlemen of Middle Eastern appearance
>>who arrived for one of these flights were escorted away by the
>>authorities, we know not where?
>>It looks like it is vigilance, not lack of attempts, that is keeping
>>airplanes from being flown into buildings at present.
>>------------------------
>
>>How many people died from this, and how many buildings were destroyed?
>
>Sorry, I don't understand; you want to know how many people died in a
>thwarted attempt? None, precisely because it was thwarted....
>
>Or are you saying that attempts don't count, because they don't succeed?
>
>>We all know there are other terrorists than Al-Quada who may be using
>>this opportunity to strike their blow also.
>
>Ah. So are you saying (in the face of the evidence to the contrary) that
>these were not Al-Quaida attempts?
>
>And so, since you wish to argue that Al-Quaida have gone all quiescent,
>that it would be unlikely for them to be active in Iraq at present?
>
>(Not that I think they are, myself, but that view has been expressed
>here).
>>------------------------
>
>>>200 killed, well you cannot pacify a country without resistance.
>>>3000 were killed in the trade center.
>
>>Is that what we are doing now, then, 'pacifying' Iraq? Hasn't the army
>>surrendered? Do you think these suicide bombers are all covert
>>ex-military? I'm not at all sure that's the case....
>
>I suggest that perhaps not all of the suicide bombers are ex-military.
>>------------------------
>>Are you trying to imply that all of Saddam's former pals have surrendered,
>>including 'Izzy'?  None of them are hiding out and trying to cause
trouble?
>
>Brice gives the appearance of disagreeing with me. Unfortunately, he is
>disagreeing with something I did not say; what I said left open the
>possibility that *some* of the suicide bombers are ex-military.
>
>So no, Brice, I'm not saying that at all; what made you think I was?
>
>>Or are you trying to say that unless someone was actually a member of the
>>army, they cannot shoot a gun, set off a bomb, or launch an RPG?
>
>Brice again gives the appearance of disagreeing with me. Unfortunately,
>he is again disagreeing with something I did not say; what I said
>explicitly suggested the possibility that some of the suicide bombers
>are non-military.
>
>So no, Brice, again I'm not saying that at all; what made you think I
>was?
>
>I think you are so keen to disagree with me that you have had to ignore
>what I actually said in order to do so  :-(
>>------------------------
>
>--
>Roy Brown        'Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be
>Kelmscott Ltd     useful, or believe to be beautiful'  William Morris
>
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