At the risk of being totally non-PC... could these be refined as...

"The Death and Decline of the non-Asian Programmer" and
"The Rise and Resurrection of the non-Asian Programmer".

Let's keep Europe and the Antipodes in the loop. LOL.

Mark W.

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> Greg writes:
> > Yourdon, in "The Death and Decline of the American Programmer",
>
> ITYM "The Decline and Fall of the American Programmer" (1992):
>
>    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/013191958X
>
> > the textbook whose success marked his descent,
>
> I have the feeling that for some reason nobody wanted to pay Ed
> big bucks to
> come and lecture to them on the topic of how they were all
> doomed, so he was
> forced to switch tracks and produce:
>
> "The Rise and Resurrection of the American Programmer" (1996):
>
>    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/013121831X
>
> wherein (I'm told) he basically says that we're all going to
> become Java Web
> Designers so everything is going to be OK now :-)
>
> G. "never been a big fan of Mr. Yourdon"
>
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