Jon and others interested in digging deeper into Lutris' motives, or
indeed having an interest in open source, web application servers, or
instantDB, would do well to follow the slashdot link at
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/10/14/0018242.shtml
entitled "How Lutris betrayed the Open Source Community" which leads to
http://instantdb.tripod.com/
This contains an interesting and extensive article narrated by George C.
Hawkins [log in to unmask] who is also trying very hard to
reconstruct the instantDB web site as it was before Lutris removed it.
I invite readers to make up their own minds on Lutris, its policies, and
its motives after visiting this site.
Chris Thompson
Technical Director
The Internet Agency
European Distributors of ADBC Web/iX and TRAX
www.the-internet-agency.com
In article <[log in to unmask]>, Jon Diercks
<[log in to unmask]> writes
>Adam Dorritie <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>For those folks who, like me, may have missed the mid-September
>>announcement, Lutris claims that the J2EE license from Sun prevents them
>>from incorporating J2EE in an open-source solution. The Enterprise
>>version is only offered as a purchasable product and they have no plans to
>>offer a new version of the open-source Enhydra software either.
>
>It is worth noting that the open-source version of Enhydra *is* still
>available, and Lutris is hoping the open-source community will pick up the
>ball (which, admittedly, Lutris appears to have dropped). From the Lutris
>letter:
>
>"... the Enhydra application server is an open source project.
>That means that you - the developers who use it - have the
>ability to effect new releases by writing code and submitting it.
>
>To that end, we would like to solicit help from the community.
>We need a number of people: committers, chair, and individuals
>managing the task list and release of an Alpha, Beta, and final
>cut of the next release of Enhydra. Everyone who voted to have
>a new Enhydra release should take it upon themselves to start
>the process by reading
>http://enhydra.enhydra.org/aboutEnhydra/gettingInvolved/ecp/index.html
>and then taking action to drive the next release of the Enhydra
>code by submitting suggested tasks, volunteering for development
>of those tasks, etc."
>
>Lutris may have cut off their nose, but I don't believe it was done
>explicitly to spite their face. I'm not trying to defend them, just
>pointing out that things could be worse.
>
>> See their release at http://enterprise.enhydra.org/index.html. If you
>> like, you can read the latest story about Lutris at Slashdot
>> (http://slashdot.org/articles/01/10/14/0018242.shtml). There's also a
>> good link in the Slashdot article to a story about InstantDB and how
>> Lutris appears to have sucked in developers with the promise of
>> open-sourcing the database and then sent them packing
>> (http://instantdb.tripod.com/). Personally, I find a lot of validity in
>> the argument that Lutris isn't worth dealing with.
>
>Lutris has clearly made some tough decisions, some of which they may end up
>regretting. I'm not sure yet exactly how this will impact my Enhydra
>project. I don't intend to throw away the effort I've invested up to this
>point, and I'm reasonably confident in the ability of the current Enhydra
>3.1 product to support the deployment of my application. I guess in a way
>this a good test of the open source model - one of the benefits of open
>source is vendor independence - you don't have to worry if the vendor drops
>the product or vanishes off the face of the earth, because you have the
>source and you can do what you want with it.
>
>> I think that it's time for CSY to certify Bluestone on the 3000.
>
>That would be nice, but I don't know if it really addresses your concerns
>about Lutris and open source. Is Bluestone open source? Does its license
>ensure that it will remain so? I did a little poking around at
>www.bluestone.com and didn't find anything conclusive. Many of the
>bluestone components appear to be freely downloadable (free as in beer) but
>I don't see any obvious links to CVS or other source-management info (free
>as in speech).
>
>If you want to be an open-source purist, I've heard good things about JBoss
><http://www.jboss.org/> or Zope <http://www.zope.org/>. Maybe you should
>take one of these for a spin on MPE, and let us know how they perform.
>
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