Do you lights consume watts or wheat?
Denys
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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] DST Changes
FYI, I was in Home Depot the other day and they have 200 watt compact
flourescents now available. Great for garages and hard-to-change-bulb
places(but $10 apiece).
John Lee
At 03:45 PM 2/6/07 -0800, Art Bahrs wrote:
>Hi Shawn :)
> Ok... while the CFB's can save a lot of money... even the instant on's
>can be that much slower than those of us who "move with a purpose" when
>entering and exiting a room :) I put several of 'em in our condo... some
>in can lights (paid a pretty penny for those since they had to be able to
>work upside down and be instant on :( ) and they didn't last very long...
>seemed to take a while (5-10 minutes) to get up to full strength and just
>weren't worth the savings...
>
> I like and use floresent (spelling) shop lights in the garage ... they
>are great for about 265 watts worth of power I light a 28x30 foot garage
>enough that I can work with power tools and table saws without endangering
>body parts due to level of light :) But man I wouldn't even dream
>(nightmare?) of putting anything but incandesent in the main stairwell of
>the house! I have to be able to go up and down thos e stairs in the middle
>of the night and sure ain't gonna wait for a light to turn on! hehehe
>
> And it was my understanding that Ben Franklin is the author or Daylight
>Savings Time and that it could work... the question seems to be what do we
>use electricity for? I mean is it for lights? or for the TV/Cable
>box/VCR/Games? Do we use a full oven when a toaster oven would do the
>trick?
>
> I wonder about some of the alternatives that seem to be coming on ...
>Hybrid cars? hmmm... what is gonna happen to all those batteries when they
>need to be replaced? Whatever happened to the solar designed homes that
>were a big thing here in the Northwest back in the 70's? The house across
>from my Dad's was converted to sue various materials that would trap heat
>in the daylight and release it slowly through the night... The current
>owner ripped it all out and made it "modern" last year... there went
>thousands that never got ROI :(
>
>Art "ramblin's of a electric addict " Bahrs
>P.S. and no I don't mean a "wirehead" ala Larry Niven :)
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>All my VCR's, cable boxes, PDA's, cell phones and desktop computers
>"know" when DST is and change their time when it comes up, I'm
>certain that almost none of them will be correct now, but I could be
>wrong, for everything that pings its time from a server, then all
>those servers needed to be updated to change how time is
>accommodated. Just from my own experience during Y2K when I got
>really interested in time zones and DST and all that, I found that
>hardly anyone had their systems correct and in 4GL shops they were
>having all sorts of problems with hardware and software clocks being
>out of sync and often times this was due to DST not being correctly
>adjusted. I wrote a very short and simple script that will adjust it
>and put it out there years ago, I see it floating around now and
>again. I even wrote a program that will check to make sure if your
>hardware and software clock and DST are right and fix them if you
>want them to (on a 3000), but look at all that work right now. You
>think that zero effort was put in to making Windows update
>correctly? You think zero effort was put in to making sure your cell
>phone updates correctly? This little change was not free, and it
>certainly isn't going to result in any energy savings, people still
>come home at the same time. You'd have better energy savings by
>sending everyone a pack of CFB light bulbs in the US and have them
>swap out their lights, now THAT would save huge amounts of energy.
>
>At 02:41 PM 2/6/2007, Tracy Pierce wrote:
> >Wow, that leaves me in the dark. Don't waste any bile, please, but What
> >sort of "huge expense in the private sector for all kinds of devices" do
> >you mean?
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> > > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Shawn Gordon
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:10 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: DST Changes
> > >
> > > I have to say that I'm stunned that this legislation never got
> > > overturned, I really thought it would. They've doinked around with
> > > DST a lot of times, the last time it was extended was because of the
> > > BBQ lobby, this time I saw an interview with the congressman that put
> > > it forward and his lame, stuttering reason was "wouldn't it be nice
> > > to get home from work and have it still be light out?". Well, if
> > > that is the argument, then have DST in the winter instead of the
> > > summer - oh yea,they tried that and kids were going to school in the
> > > dark. I personally hate DST and now it's 3 weeks longer causing a
> > > huge expense in the private sector for all kinds of devices and it is
> > > all on the whim of some moron in congress.
> > >
> > > At 08:39 AM 2/6/2007, Paul Edwards wrote:
> > > > >From the WXPNews newsletter:
> > > >
> > > >Daylight Saving Time change: how will it affect your computer?
> > > >
> > > >One aspect of a Energy Policy Act of 2005 mandated a big
> > > change in daylight
> > > >saving time, which will be extended by four additional weeks
> > > starting in
> > > >2007. Well, 2007 is here and the change takes effect on
> > > March 11, when DST
> > > >starts three weeks earlier than usual. Folks with older computers are
> > > >wondering what problems, if any, the time change will cause. If your
> > > >computer is relatively new and automatically updated, you
> > > probably don't
> > > >have anything to worry about. Older operating systems may
> > > require you to
> > > >manually update. Microsoft is making update tools available
> > > for Windows,
> > > >Outlook, Exchange and mobile products.
> > > >
> > > >For more info about Microsoft products affected by the
> > > change and what you
> > > >should do to make the transition easier, including links to update
> > > >utilities, see:
> > > >http://www.wxpnews.com/RXW0N7/070206-DST
> > > >
> > > >All versions of Windows can be updated using the procedure
> > > in KB article
> > > >914387 at
> > > >http://www.wxpnews.com/RXW0N7/070206-DST-Updates
> > > >
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