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Craig Lalley <[log in to unmask]>
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Craig Lalley <[log in to unmask]>
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Thu, 2 Apr 2015 13:12:29 -0700
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> Do I use buldjob1 to rebuild the
> directory?

Yes,

-Craig

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 2, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Wes S <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> We were able to boot from spare VA and have rebuilt the original VA and
> have configured everything and no longer getting the crash. Now I need to
> restore the directory but I can't remember how. I don't want to rebuild all
> my groups and accounts manually. Do I use buldjob1 to rebuild the
> directory? Sorry been too long and lost my notes.
> On Apr 2, 2015 11:45 AM, "Hawkins, Jim (EG TCE&Q HP Servers)" <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> Wes,
>> 
>> During an Install you are stomping on all the data on the disks, there
>> will be no XM recovery of the volume information so the messages will be
>> different.
>> 
>> I would be concerned also that if you're messing with the VA, especially
>> creating and deleting LUNs, you'll need to make sure your SCSI-FC router
>> (assuming A5814A-003) is kept 'informed' of the changes.
>> 
>> I'll remind folks that START NORECOVERY MESSAGE with a 'terminal' set-up
>> to capture the output can help pinpoint failures in a more obvious manner.
>>  You can use "MESSAGE" during Update or Install too but IIRC there are
>> some console prompts for information if you do that so be prepared. . .
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>> Behalf Of Wes S
>> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 7:37 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] system abort
>> 
>> Hardware guy is configuring the array so our system can read it. Will be
>> hooking it up soon to see if we can get past the crash.
>> 
>> I'm still puzzled by losing the message "start aggregate recovery of mpexl
>> volume set and complete of mpexl volume set". Could it be we began to see
>> degradation of VA communication as we rebooted a dozen times? We would try
>> something and reboot, knowing that wouldn't fix it, but due diligence
>> sometimes overrules common sense especially when reporting to mgmt why it
>> takes so long to fix this.
>>> On Apr 1, 2015 10:03 PM, "Ryan C. Melander" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Loaded with disk?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Wes S <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: 04/01/2015 7:58 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] system abort
>>> 
>>> You may be correct, which is why he's bringing a spare array to the
>>> office.
>>> We cannot get Commandview to work for some dumb reason. Hellava April
>>> fool's day for me... :( On Apr 1, 2015 9:37 PM, "mr_lalley"
>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Wes,
>>>> 
>>>> IMHO,  the problem is your VA array.   Is there any way you can query
>> the
>>>> serial port (and paste the output here)?   Better yet, do you  have
>>>> CommandView?
>>>> 
>>>> Without more information from the VA, I think your flying blind.
>>>> 
>>>> -Craig
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Wes S <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date: 01/04/2015 7:25 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: system abort
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately the drive in question didn't show a fault and thus we
>>>> have
>>> no
>>>> idea which drive to replace. And the bad sector message moved from
>>>> ldev
>>> 54
>>>> to 56.
>>>> 
>>>> Current status: so we tried to do an install using boot alt path and
>>> still
>>>> get the crash message, except now it doesn't show message "start
>>> aggregate
>>>> recovery of mpexl set" and goes directly to "userlog aggregate
>> recovery"
>>>> then aggregate recovery of private volume then crash message. Our
>>> hardware
>>>> guy and myself both of us with 20+ years on this platform have never
>>>> seen this happen. What is causing this to crash? All devices show as
>>>> being mounted, all paths are there, we are stumped. He will attempt
>>>> to hook a different VA and bridge to see if that gets us past the
>> crash.
>>>> 
>>>> Keep the ideas coming please. Is a test server but ppl are
>>>> waiting...but
>>> I
>>>> need sleep...
>>>> 
>>>> Wes
>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 5:03 PM, "Jack Connor"
>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If you got a bad sector message, Wes, doing the install is a waste
>>>>> of
>>>> time
>>>>> if you didn't replace the failed drive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> <[log in to unmask]>] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Wes S
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 5:40 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] system abort
>>>>> 
>>>>> I appreciate the help, been on this for 4 hours already and have
>>>>> not received  any viable solution. I just started the install
>>>>> command from
>>>> alt
>>>>> boot path and rebuild  it. Is test and just taking longer by waiting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the help folks. LL MPE!
>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 4:07 PM, "Wes S" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yep, SCSI from processor to bridge, fiber from bridge to brocade
>>>>>> switch, fiber from switch to VA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We brought system up in single disk mode and looking at sysgen.
>>>>>> All ldevs are there.
>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 4:02 PM, "Jim Maher" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You should have a SCSI bridge. It’s a small box that converts
>>>>>>> SCSI
>>> to
>>>>>>> fiber.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *From:* Wes S [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]>]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 1:59 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Jim Maher
>>>>>>> *Cc:* [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [HP3000-L] system abort
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A6188A - 7100
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 3:56 PM, "Jim Maher" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You said you are using a va array on a 969. What model? Also
>>>>>>> are you using a SCSI/fc bridge?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> <[log in to unmask]>] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Wes S
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 1:51 PM
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] system abort
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> VA is in ready state. We have power cycled all the hardware,
>>>>>>> had to bring it up in a particular order. Tried booting 5 or 6
>>>>>>> times now
>>> and
>>>>>>> crashes when it gets to aggregate recovery of private  volume set.
>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 3:48 PM, "Ryan C. Melander"
>>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> VA's can be finicky, I would reboot VA. Before reloading
>>> anything.
>>>>>>>> Is the VA in a ready state?  Anything showing in the VA logs?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>>>> From: Wes S <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> Date: 04/01/2015 1:44 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] system abort
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mapper shows all devices are there. We did that a while
>>>>>>>> ago...:) On Apr 1, 2015 3:42 PM, "Mark Ranft" <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The first thing I would do is BO PRI and instead of START
>>>>>>>>> NORECOVERY.  I would run ODE MAPPER.  (Note:  This is
>>>>>>>>> MAPPER2 on
>>>>>>> newer system).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hint:  At ISL> prompt type 'RUN ODE MAPPER'
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Verify you can see all the disks you think you should see.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mark Ranft
>>>>>>>>> Pro 3K
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