It would seem that for hp to ever get back to what it once was, there has to be a return to the concept of putting engineers on pedestals. Long ago, hp decided that R & D was too expensive, so they opted to forgo most R & D in favor of simply 'assembling' what's already out there and slap a brand name on it, or even just rebranding something already assembled (I mean TV's? Honestly....).
Sadly, at hp, how can we make money tomorrow with inventions has succumbed to how can we make money today with whatever.
One thing is certain, though, there are still some companies out there churning out new products via their R & D departments (even if the R & D is merely marketing), and they're being handsomely rewarded for it, too.
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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Denys Beauchemin
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I seriously doubt HP will ever be back to what it once was. The first
thing they would need to do is get rid of the board and that's not going to happen any time soon.
Denys
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Well said, Jim.
I would add this, from an outsider's perspective; it appears as though HP has not been on the front edge of technology, but rather on the trailing edge. That's not your fault, but I would say it's senior leadership's fault. Jumping on bandwagons late (PCs, tablets, even consulting solutions were late in arriving) is not innovative. Some MAJOR DOLLAR acquisitions have gone very sour. And I believe that giving up on MPE and the 3000 platform was a mistake (from what I can tell, the IBM iSeries...fka AS400...appears to be thriving).
I hope that HP can get back to blazing new trails to the future.
Respectfully,
John Lee
At 12:36 PM 06/04/2013, Hawkins, Jim (ESSN TCE&Q) wrote:
>John,
>
>You raise very good questions which I would summarize as: 'what is
>"real" innovation?' Different people have different ideas. As
>others point out some great HP products like Calculators, LaserJets, HP
>3000, along with non-HP products like iPod or iPhone all were
>unique implementations of 99% existing technology. So who gets
>credit for 'the invention' IS often down to packaging and marketing.
>
>Just a couple of weeks ago I had a chance to go to a poster fair of
>HP Labs research products. There were some really cool things like
>a no-glasses 3-d display and a method to determine co-location of
>devices without GPS or WiFi location information or any communication
>between the two devices (I'll leave you to ponder that*).
>
>At the same time there were lots of other stuff which looked vaguely
>familiar to someone who's been in commercial computing for a while --
>ways to handling the change in the amount of data (tera, exa, penta
>byte data sets), structure unstructured data, reduce impact of the
>mis-match between CPU->Memory->secondary storage. What about a system
>with memristor memory which could be permanent and as fast as your CPU,
>how can you scale with 1000s of CPUs, where are the next bottle necks
>coming, what kind of file system do you need (no-caching, pre-fetch or
>other tricks needed)???
>
>At the poster board level it is sometimes hard to see the meat to judge
>what exactly is new there but given the number of PhD's and 'patent'
>granted/pending references I trust that there is something which is
>pushing boundaries at some level.
>
>Similarly unless you've actually evaluated the Sun/IBM/HP non-x86
>compacted blade solutions it may be hard to see from marketing
>materials exactly what is unique -- that is more a problem of
>marketing, less of innovation.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Jim
>
>* They use audio from device microphones to establish a pattern of
>-- background silence -- which is apparently better than the background
>noise [think two people listing to the same radio station in different
>locations]. That pattern information would be shared on a server and
>help you meet-up with people close by. . .
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of John Lee
>Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:07 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Maybe this is why HP is down in the dumps
>
>Thanks for the links, Jim. I perused them both, and I learned some
>things. It appears as though Moonshot is a shrunken blade server. And
>reducing power consumption and footprint is important...it saves money
>and resources. But aren't Sun and IBM promoting the same? It was
>difficult to tell what was innovative, unique or patentable about
>Moonshot. I'm not being critical, I'm giving a layman's opinion. HP
>looks the same as everyone else.
>
>Same with the SDN solution...I get product literature from IBM and they
>make the same claims. Again, I'm not being critical or questionning
>your product knowledge. I just find it hard to see what differentiates
>HP. So then does it just become a marketing game? Everyone is selling
>the same solutions, but who is better at selling? Who's got more
>contacts in high places? Who is better at retaining customers?
>
>John Lee
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 11:47 AM 06/03/2013, Hawkins, Jim (ESSN TCE&Q) wrote:
> >The hURD removed Invent from the logo and slashed
> >R&D. Non-the-less HP is still inventing and you don't have to look
> >very hard to find lots of stuff which is new and industry leading. . .
> >
> >http://h30507.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Networking/HP-Networking-SDN-solution
> >-w
> >on-the-2013-Innovations-award/ba-p/139503
> >
> >http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/enterprise/servers/products/moonshot/
> >in
> >dex.aspx
> >
> >HP Discover is next week in Las Vegas -- my understanding is that
> >CNBC will be broadcasting live from the floor. If you want to
> >learn what HP is really up to there's a good chance.
> >
> >Jim
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> >Behalf Of Denys Beauchemin
> >Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:11 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Maybe this is why HP is down in the dumps
> >
> >I believe the pharmacist or his predecessor removed the Invent
> from the logo.
> >
> >Denys
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> >Behalf Of Michael Berkowitz
> >Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:49 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Maybe this is why HP is down in the dumps
> >
> >Impossible. Doesn't the logo still say "HP" / Invent?
> >
> >Michael Berkowitz
> >Project Manager, CGS Application Solutions
> >5530 Corbin Ave Suite 313
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> >
> >
> >From: John Lee <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask]
> >Date: 06/03/2013 08:45 AM
> >Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Maybe this is why HP is down in the dumps
> >
> >
> >
> >When was the last time HP introduced something innovative to the tech
> >world? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious...they stopped innovating.
> >Weren't the 1000 and 3000 product lines full of solutions for end
> >users back in the day? Where has that gone? Was the LaserJet their
> >last patent? Maybe I'm missing some but I don't see it.
> >
> >John Lee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >It's a Friday afternoon and for some reason I googled Jeff Vance
> > >whom we all have worked with previously. First up is linkedin. So
> > >I go to the webpage, find that he's working for Red Hat, but also
> > >notice the "people also viewed" column on the far right. Lots of
> > >names from the past
> > >
> > >Mike Paivinen
> > >Scott McClellan
> > >Becky McBride
> > >Craig Fairchild
> > >Steve Macsisak
> > >Stephen Watt
> > >
> > >Of that group, including Jeff, only 2 are at HP (Becky and Craig),
> > >the company they might have thought they'd be employed for life
> > >
> > >Michael Berkowitz
> > >Project Manager, CGS Application Solutions
> > >5530 Corbin Ave Suite 313
> > >Tarzana, CA 91356-6033
> > >Direct: 818 635-0816
> > >Message: 212 261-9610
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