And then they would take him to court and have him put his hand on the bible
and swear him in...
If I was ever required to give testimony, I thought it would be better to
put my hand on a dictionary and state, "What I am about to say is the truth
to my best recollection, using words which agree with the stated definitions
amassed in this book, may my mom slap me down." or something like that.
Guy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shahan, Ray" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Red meat for the group :-).
> The kid may get arrested for having a beaver pelt (would have to prove he
> didn't poach it). :-)
>
> Ray Shahan
>
> "Life is what happens while you're busy making plans", John Lennon
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Scott [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:21 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: OT: Red meat for the group :-).
> >
> > American currency says, "In God we trust" so can school kids no longer
buy
> > lunches at the cafeteria with Federal currency? "I'd like a cheese
burger
> > and the mystery vegetables, and a cherry pie. I can give you a beaver
pelt
> > and some beads."
> >
> > Just to be clear.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> > Behalf Of Wirt Atmar
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 2:06 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [HP3000-L] OT: Red meat for the group :-).
> >
> >
> > >From the Associated Press (posted at 1524 EDT):
> >
> > =======================================
> >
> > SAN FRANCISCO (June 26) - For the first time ever, a federal appeals
court
> > Wednesday declared the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of
> > the
> > words ''under God'' added by Congress in 1954.
> >
> > The ruling, if allowed to stand, means schoolchildren can no longer
recite
> > the pledge, at least in the nine Western states covered by the court.
> >
> > In a 2-1 decision, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the phrase
> > amounts to a government endorsement of religion in violation of the
> > Constitution's Establishment Clause, which requires a separation of
church
> > and state.
> >
> > ''A profession that we are a nation 'under God' is identical, for
> > Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation
'under
> > Jesus,' a nation 'under Vishnu,' a nation 'under Zeus,' or a nation
'under
> > no
> > god,' because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to
> > religion,'' Judge Alfred T. Goodwin wrote for the three-judge panel.
> >
> > The government had argued that the religious content of ''one nation
under
> > God'' is minimal.
> >
> > But the appeals court said that an atheist or a holder of certain
> > non-Judeo-Christian beliefs could see it as an endorsement of
monotheism.
> >
> > ''We are certainly considering seeking further review in the matter,''
> > Justice Department lawyer Robert Loeb said.
> >
> > The 9th Circuit covers Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho,
> > Montana,
> > Nevada, Oregon and Washington state. Those are the only states directly
> > affected by the ruling.
> >
> > However, the ruling does not take effect for several months, to allow
> > further
> > appeals. The government can ask the court to reconsider, or take its
case
> > to
> > the U.S. Supreme Court.
> >
> > The case was brought by Michael A. Newdow, a Sacramento atheist who
> > objected
> > because his second-grade daughter was required to recite the pledge at
the
> > Elk Grove school district. A federal judge had dismissed his lawsuit.
> >
> > ''I'm an American citizen. I don't like my rights infringed upon by my
> > government,'' he said in an interview. Newdow called the pledge a
> > ''religious
> > idea that certain people don't agree with.''
> >
> > The appeals court said that when President Eisenhower signed the
> > legislation
> > inserting ''under God'' after the words ''one nation,'' he wrote that
> > ''millions of our schoolchildren will daily proclaim in every city and
> > town,
> > every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our nation and
our
> > people to the Almighty.''
> >
> > The court noted that the U.S. Supreme Court has said students cannot
hold
> > religious invocations at graduations and cannot be compelled to recite
the
> > pledge. But when the pledge is recited in a classroom, a student who
> > objects
> > is confronted with an ''unacceptable choice between participating and
> > protesting,'' the appeals court said.
> >
> > ''Although students cannot be forced to participate in recitation of the
> > pledge, the school district is nonetheless conveying a message of state
> > endorsement of a religious belief when it requires public school
teachers
> > to
> > recite, and lead the recitation of, the current form of the pledge,''
the
> > court said.
> >
> > =======================================
> >
> > Wirt Atmar
> >
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