ok, so she's a militant animal "rights" person.  I happen to love 
eating animals, I eat all kinds of them, they are tasty.  Based on 
her previous rants it just corroborates that she is NOT singling out 
Muslims, it was just the latest group doing a mass killing of 
animals, the fact that it is part of a nameable group just makes it 
convenient, I mean how do you refer to the people who club baby seals 
for furs?  I don't know,is there a name?  I just think this is the 
thought police and PC gone wild, all you done is give her credibility 
by paying attention to her.  We don't pay attention to Pamela 
Anderson when she talks about animal stuff or Rikki Lake, who cares 
what they say, if they don't want to eat meat, then don't eat it, 
just leave us alone and if they can't shut up, just ignore them, why 
should the government get involved?

you're right it's only been about 120 years since Mormons abandoned 
polygamy, I misspoke, but it still pre-dates Alfredo's paper by 100 
years or so.  My issue with Alfredo was in perpetuating a stereotype 
long abandoned, which is far different from making a comment about 
someone doing something today.  I could start a real flame war here 
and throw out a bunch of racial and religious stereotypes to see how 
it makes everyone feel, then you might get a sense of it.  Frances 
kowtowing to Hitler that led to a greatly reduced Jewish population 
(hence the bigger muslim population) is one that comes to mind.

At 03:53 PM 6/20/2008, Christian Lheureux wrote:
>Shawn wrote after me :
>
> > Racial?  Islam isn't a race, it's a religon, and
>
>OK, I know that. That's why I also wrote hate speech (after someone else
>rightly suggested it), intentionally being unspecific about the object of
>the hate. My point is not to draw lines between what exactly constitutes a
>race, what exactly constitutes a religion, and so on, this is NOT, I repeat
>NOT, my point.
>
>My point was, and still is, that I have a deep problem with hate speech. Mrs
>Bardot explicitly singled out one group because of a practice she seems to
>dislike, and left out other groups, who happen to have very similar
>practices. If that's not hate speech, please let me know what it is.
>
>That being said, it's hardly her first brush with controversy, on exactly
>the same theme. From time to time, she gets some media attention. Her 15
>minutes of fame that she's trying to drag on, I guess. Now, perhaps you now
>understand why I did not immediately bother to enquire about what,
>precisely, someone from my country had said or done. Call if Bardot fatigue,
>if that pleases you.
>
> > if Bardot was in america, I'm sure she'd be
> > pissed about thanksgiving as with any slaughter
> > of animals,
>
>She should be, if she was really up against animal slaughtering. For some
>reason, she did not speak up against non-Muslim religious practices
>involving animal slaughtering like, as you suggested, turkey slaughtering
>for Thanksgiving, et al. That's why I am now in deep doubt about the
>sincerity of her motives.
>
> > she's probably against clubbing baby
> > seals for their fur by Canadian trappers, I
> > suppose then she could be called a racist.
>
>She is. Since the mid-70s, she's been quite vocal about that. Of course, I
>supported her commitment, at the time, up until her recent rant. That's why
>I tended to believe her commitment to animal protection was genuine. You
>can't believe how disappointed I felt when she went into hate speech mode
>instead.
>
>[Shawn's personal story about his being a Mormon follows ...]
>
>1) Shawn, I was not previously aware that you are a Mormon.
>
>2) AFAIK, Mormons abandoned polygamy in 1896. I'm ready to be corrected if
>that's not true.
>
> > For Bardot, she is
> > speaking out that she finds the mass slaughter of
> > sheep to be a vile act.
>
>Shawn, you are still missing the point. Sheep slaughtering during the
>Aid-el-Kebir Muslim celebration is now controlled, for obvious health and
>safety reasons, and also owing to animal ethical treatment concerns. It has
>now been regulated for a few years, perhaps half a decade or little more.
>
>What I really deeply resent about Mrs Bardot's statement is that she singles
>out a specifically Muslim practice, and says exactly nothing about similar
>practices by other groups. Once again, we are in the legal definition of
>hate speech, and that's why she's been taken to court.
>
>I don't know how many people on this list have a turkey slaughtered for
>Thanksgiving or any other occasion, but wouldn't you take issue with anyone
>attacking your specific practice and not someone else's very similar
>practice ? Shawn, to get back to you, didn't you previously take issue with
>our friend Alfredo for some kind of unfortunate misunderstanding or
>misappreciation, if I got your story correctly ?
>
> > Now I don't know if
> > these sheep are eaten or just slaughtered.
>
>They are roasted and eaten. After Ramadan, which, in Muslim practice, is a
>full month of daytime fast, practicing Muslims hold a big event, at which
>they invite family, friends, neighbors, or just about anyone interested
>enough to attend. It's usually a very lively celebration, after a few weeks
>of personal sacrifice. You'll hear people talking loudly, you'll see young
>kids running around. Well, really a big feast with grilled mutton, that's
>it.
>
> > If they are just slaughtered for a ceremony, then
> > I'd tend to agree with her.
>
>See above.
>
> > If they are killing
> > them and eating them after ranching them, like we
> > do with Turkey's, I don't see the problem,
>
>Apart from racial/religious prejudice concerns, neither do I. Hence my rant
>about her going ballistic about a group she does not seem to hold in high
>esteem.
>
> > but again, it's her right to express her opinion.
>
>Certainly, and as in other cases of free speech blurring into hate speech,
>she probably expected to be prosecuted. She was prosecuted. She lost her
>case. France, as the US and may other nations, is ruled by the state of law,
>and law are voted and applied.
>
>As I said earlier, she has experimented media attention before. Don't forget
>she's been an actress, therefore expect her to know how to handle media
>attention. Oh, BTW, wasn't she trying to promote a book, or something ? She
>can tell a good controversy when she sees one. At least, I admit she sticks
>with her ideas, even if I certainly don't go by the same ideas.
>
>Please keep in mind that Muslims constitute about 8-9% of French population.
>They are now the second religious group, after Catholics, and way ahead of
>Protestants, Jews, and others. We are slowly getting used to that. It may
>take time to adjust to reality, but reality is there nevertheless, and it's
>there to stay. So we'd better get used to it.
>
>Christian
>
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