"I agree that in the best of all possible worlds, individuals would be
hired for each coherent arena.  However, in small shops in the real
world individuals are often required to have broader functional areas."

Agreed, especially as I wear the following ill-fitting hats:  data-processing
mgr, hp3000 system admin, analyst, head programmer, networking; PC setup /
support / security, and evening operator.  Total department staff, besides
myself, are a full-time operator who spends half her time on things that would
normally belong to other departments, and a two-day-a-week programmer who
sometimes takes off for 2 or 3 months to work on his other projects.

"Dead-end job", as someone posted?  Don't care, I plan to be here till I
retire anyway.  And anyone who really likes the HP3000 as much as some of us
say we do....

Regarding the general hopelessness of finding an HP3000 job now -- don't get
your hopes up, or hold your breath, or send resumes, or anything, but there
*might* eventually be an opening for an HP3K jack of all trades when I retire.
Or maybe an opening for someone to handle a migration and take over afterwards
while I keep the HP running until it is not needed, and then totter off into
the sunset.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Noel Magee" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 15:09
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Miller Compressing Opportunity - Programmer/Analyst


> I agree that in the best of all possible worlds, individuals would be
> hired for each coherent arena.  However, in small shops in the real
> world individuals are often required to have broader functional areas.
> Particularly as the number of full blown in-house IT organizations at
> smaller employers has decreased, the ability to fill several roles in an
> organization would be more highly valued.  In larger organizations, the
> narrowness of roles has increased to the point of absurdity in some
> cases.  I started in a smaller shop and have most recently been in the
> large corporate world where I had root access on nearly everything but
> if I picked up a screwdriver people got seriously bent out of shape.  It
> just depends on what is necessary in the particular environment.
>
> On the other hand, this is a 'job posting' of sorts so it may simply be
> that they are asking for everything they could ever want.  Given that
> I'm currently looking for work, I see a lot of postings where I think,
> "Good luck, you'll never find that person because they don't exist."
>
> Anyone want to hire an ex-HP3000 programmer, Image DBA, Performance &
> capacity planner with more recent HP-UX, Linux system admin skills, some
> solid networking knowledge, and six years of supervisory experience?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Noel
>
> On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 16:43 -0400, Brian Donaldson wrote:
> > Dave:
> >
> > <<snip>>
> >
> > >Same reason Christopher Columbus wanted to discover the new world,
> > >because it's there ;-) >>
> >
> > <<end snip>>
> >
> > I totally disagree with your statement.
> >
> > It's just a way of getting cheap labor out of their employees. Either hire
people
> > in this country to do more than they are paid for -- or hire these
overseas
> > Indians who will do it for minimum wage thus doing us all out a job.
> >
> > I have been down the computer operations road already, can do it
blindfolded,
> > but I certainly wouldn't do it when my job title is (senior) P/A. No way.
Let
> > them hire a person whose job title is "Computer Operator" or "Network
> > Whatever."
> >
> > As a P/A, improving my skill set(s) would be to learn new programming
> > languages or new aspects of the programming/analysis arena. If I wanted to
> > learn networking I would move over into the Networking arena and would no
> > longer be a part of the P/A environment. I certainly have no problem with
that
> > and welcome it with open arms. However, expecting me to play computer
> > operator or network guy while my job title is P/A is just not on.
> >
> >
> > Brian (bullet proof vest is on.)
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:25:08 -0400, Dave <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Brian Donaldson wrote:
> > >> Why would a Cobol programmer need to know anything about Lantronix,
> > >> switches and computer operations and other networking stuff? Not to
> > mention
> > >> all the stuff they want an HP3000 candidate to have that has nothing to
do
> > >> with HP3000?
> > >
> > >Same reason Christopher Columbus wanted to discover the new world,
> > >because it's there ;-)
> > >
> > >Not to mention, improved skill set.
> > >
> > >Now don't hit me with that 2 x 4.......
> > >
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