lordy but I find it impossible to follow what you say - when do you find
time to work?
At 02:07 PM 12/9/2004, Michael Baier wrote:
>Guess what,
>I talked to several guys I know that already been in Iraq thru the National
>Guard. They say exactly the same thing.
>Even more, After months, they still wait for the pay.
>But the bill-collectors are not that patriotic.
>They want to see money.
>
>
>On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:34:29 -0800, Shawn Gordon <[log in to unmask]>
>wrote:
>
> >You know what Michael? We all see and read the news, you need to get over
> >the fact that you lost the election and move on. You obviously missed the
> >addition to this story that a journalist had fed the questions to the
>troops.
> >
> >At 12:54 PM 12/9/2004, Michael Baier wrote:
> >>After 21 month into the war and over 100billion spend, Rumsfeld finally
> >>talkes to the soldiers (not generals) and guess what "I don't know what
>the
> >>facts are"
> >>Embarrassing to say the least.
> >>But his boss gives him 4 more years to make a better military.
> >>Who does these guys talk to? nobody that has the facts.
> >>4 more years.
> >>Where's the sticker "I didn't vote for him"?
> >>
> >>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
> >>tmpl=story&cid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20041209/ts_nm/iraq_usa_rumsfeld_dc_11
> >>
> >>Bush, Rumsfeld Try to Soothe Angry U.S. Troops
> >>
> >>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush said on Thursday U.S. troop concerns
> >>about inadequate equipment for Iraq combat are being addressed and he did
> >>not blame soldiers for raising the issue with Defense Secretary Donald
> >>Rumsfeld.
> >>
> >>A day after he was bombarded with criticism from U.S. soldiers based in
> >>Kuwait, Rumsfeld promised more would be done to protect forces. He also
> >>said steps were being taken to deal with explosive devices, a leading
>cause
> >>of death in Iraq, where more than 1,000 American soldiers have been killed
> >>in action.
> >>
> >>Since invading Iraq last year, administration critics have accused it of
> >>failing to send adequate forces and armor to stabilize the country,
> >>allowing the current bloody insurgency to develop.
> >>
> >>The latest complaints put the administration further on the defensive.
>Bush
> >>had rejected charges from Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry in the
> >>campaign for last month's election that military forces in Iraq did not
> >>have sufficient protection.
> >>
> >>"The concerns expressed are being addressed, and that is, we expect our
> >>troops to have the best possible equipment. And if I were a soldier
> >>overseas, wanting to defend my country, I'd want to ask the secretary of
> >>defense the same question," Bush said.
> >>
> >>He told reporters in an Oval Office event that he has been telling
>military
> >>families that "we're doing everything we possibly can to protect your
>loved
> >>ones in a mission which is vital and important."
> >>
> >>California Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Leader in the House of
> >>Representatives, said Rumsfeld should be fired.
> >>
> >>She said the Iraq war "began 21 months ago and Secretary Rumsfeld has
>still
> >>not done what is necessary, which is his highest duty, to protect our
> >>troops to the greatest degree possible. No CEO in America would retain a
> >>manager with so clear a record of failure and neither should President
> >>Bush."
> >>
> >>Meeting with troops in Kuwait on Wednesday, Rumsfeld heard several
> >>complaints, including one from Spc. Thomas Wilson that U.S. forces were
> >>forced to dig up scrap metal to protect their vehicles in Iraq because of
>a
> >>shortage of armored ones.
> >>
> >>"CONSTRUCTIVE EXCHANGE"
> >>
> >>"I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit
>down
> >>with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure
> >>he knows what they know that he may not know, and that's a good thing. I
> >>think it's a very constructive exchange," Rumsfeld told reporters
>traveling
> >>with him on Thursday in India, another stop on a regional tour.
> >>
> >>As the military adjusts to changing tactics of the insurgency, it requires
> >>different types of equipment and approaches, Rumsfeld said. "It doesn't
> >>happen instantaneously, but it has been happening pretty rapidly," he
>said.
> >>
> >>The criticism came just days after the White House announced Rumsfeld
>would
> >>stay on in Bush's second-term Cabinet and the White House closed ranks
> >>behind him.
> >>
> >>"In terms of Secretary Rumsfeld, I think it's important for those at the
> >>top of the chain of command to hear from those who wear the uniform,
> >>especially those on the front lines in harm's way," said White House
> >>spokesman Scott McClellan.
> >>
> >>But late night television comedians seized on the issue, and comic Jay
>Leno
> >>poked fun at Rumsfeld for saying that armor did not always provide
> >>protection. "Then he got in his armored car and left," said Leno to laughs
> >>from his audience.
> >>
> >>In an apparent effort to damp down the political fallout the U.S. general
> >>in charge of coalition ground forces in Iraq vowed on Thursday to make
>sure
> >>that all American military vehicles - including trucks - driven into Iraq
> >>in the future would contain at least minimal armor plating.
> >>
> >>"And so we're continuing to work feverishly to ensure that they make our
> >>requirement that nobody goes north without it," Army Lt. Gen. Steven
> >>Whitcomb told Pentagon reporters in a hastily arranged teleconference from
> >>Kuwait, where U.S. troops have been gathering before entering Iraq.
> >>
> >>Whitcomb told reporters progress had been made since August of last year
>to
> >>upgrade armor on "Humvee" jeeps, although the military was still about
> >>2,000 short of 8,100 "up-armored" heavily-protected Humvees requested by
> >>commanders in Iraq.
> >>
> >>The House Armed Services Committee, meanwhile, released a list indicating
> >>that only about 1,100 medium and heavy U.S. military trucks out of some
> >>9,000 in the Iraq and Afghanistan regions had received needed protection
> >>for their cabs.
> >>
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> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Shawn Gordon
> >President
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