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Tom Friedman was on NBC's Today Show this morning promoting his new book, "A
Brief History of the 21st Century." He also wrote the following a few days ago
in the NY Times. And he has a program on the Discovery Channel this coming
Thursday night on somewhat the same subject.

People have discussed the "threat" that India and China represent to the
American way of Life, especially to IT departments, before on this list, and that
concern represents a good deal of the material to follow. But the bottom line
that Friedman argues is that a failing education in America underlies much of
the problem -- and is the ultimate source of much of the whining.

Due to email space limitations, I can't put everything I would wish in this
one email, so read this one first and then the one to follow.

Wirt Atmar

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April 3, 2005
It's a Flat World, After All
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

In 1492 Christopher Columbus set sail for India, going west. He had the Nina,
the Pinta and the Santa Maria. He never did find India, but he called the
people he met ''Indians'' and came home and reported to his king and queen: ''The
world is round.'' I set off for India 512 years later. I knew just which
direction I was going. I went east. I had Lufthansa business class, and I came
home and reported only to my wife and only in a whisper: ''The world is flat.''

And therein lies a tale of technology and geoeconomics that is fundamentally
reshaping our lives -- much, much more quickly than many people realize. It
all happened while we were sleeping, or rather while we were focused on 9/11,
the dot-com bust and Enron -- which even prompted some to wonder whether
globalization was over. Actually, just the opposite was true, which is why it's time
to wake up and prepare ourselves for this flat world, because others already
are, and there is no time to waste.

I wish I could say I saw it all coming. Alas, I encountered the flattening of
the world quite by accident. It was in late February of last year, and I was
visiting the Indian high-tech capital, Bangalore,

working on a documentary for the Discovery Times channel about outsourcing.
In short order, I interviewed Indian entrepreneurs who wanted to prepare my
taxes from Bangalore, read my X-rays from Bangalore, trace my lost luggage from
Bangalore and write my new software from Bangalore. The longer I was there, the
more upset I became -- upset at the realization that while I had been off
covering the 9/11 wars, globalization had entered a whole new phase, and I had
missed it. I guess the eureka moment came on a visit to the campus of Infosys
Technologies, one of the crown jewels of the Indian outsourcing and software
industry. Nandan Nilekani, the Infosys C.E.O., was showing me his global
video-conference room, pointing with pride to a wall-size flat-screen TV, which he
said was the biggest in Asia. Infosys, he explained, could hold a virtual meeting
of the key players from its entire global supply chain for any project at any
time on that supersize screen. So its American designers could be on the
screen speaking with their Indian software writers and their Asian manufacturers
all at once. That's what globalization is all about today, Nilekani said. Above
the screen there were eight clocks that pretty well summed up the Infosys
workday: 24/7/365. The clocks were labeled U.S. West, U.S. East, G.M.T., India,
Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Australia.

''Outsourcing is just one dimension of a much more fundamental thing
happening today in the world,'' Nilekani explained. ''What happened over the last
years is that there was a massive investment in technology, especially in the
bubble era, when hundreds of millions of dollars were invested in putting
broadband connectivity around the world, undersea cables, all those things.'' At the
same time, he added, computers became cheaper and dispersed all over the world,
and there was an explosion of e-mail software, search engines like Google and
proprietary software that can chop up any piece of work and send one part to
Boston, one part to Bangalore and one part to Beijing, making it easy for
anyone to do remote development. When all of these things suddenly came together
around 2000, Nilekani said, they ''created a platform where intellectual work,
intellectual capital, could be delivered from anywhere. It could be
disaggregated, delivered, distributed, produced and put back together again -- and this
gave a whole new degree of freedom to the way we do work, especially work of
an intellectual nature. And what you are seeing in Bangalore today is really
the culmination of all these things coming together.''

At one point, summing up the implications of all this, Nilekani uttered a
phrase that rang in my ear. He said to me, ''Tom, the playing field is being
leveled.'' He meant that countries like India were now able to compete equally for
global knowledge work as never before -- and that America had better get
ready for this. As I left the Infosys campus that evening and bounced along the
potholed road back to Bangalore, I kept chewing on that phrase: ''The playing
field is being leveled.''

''What Nandan is saying,'' I thought, ''is that the playing field is being
flattened. Flattened? Flattened? My God, he's telling me the world is flat!''

Here I was in Bangalore -- more than 500 years after Columbus sailed over the
horizon, looking for a shorter route to India using the rudimentary
navigational technologies of his day, and returned safely to prove definitively that
the world was round -- and one of India's smartest engineers, trained at his
country's top technical institute and backed by the most modern technologies of
his day, was telling me that the world was flat, as flat as that screen on
which he can host a meeting of his whole global supply chain. Even more
interesting, he was citing this development as a new milestone in human progress and a
great opportunity for India and the world -- the fact that we had made our
world flat!

This has been building for a long time. Globalization 1.0 (1492 to 1800)
shrank the world from a size large to a size medium, and the dynamic force in that
era was countries globalizing for resources and imperial conquest.
Globalization 2.0 (1800 to 2000) shrank the world from a size medium to a size small,
and it was spearheaded by companies globalizing for markets and labor.
Globalization 3.0 (which started around 2000) is shrinking the world from a size small
to a size tiny and flattening the playing field at the same time. And while
the dynamic force in Globalization 1.0 was countries globalizing and the dynamic
force in Globalization 2.0 was companies globalizing, the dynamic force in
Globalization 3.0 -- the thing that gives it its unique character -- is
individuals and small groups globalizing. Individuals must, and can, now ask: where do
I fit into the global competition and opportunities of the day, and how can
I, on my own, collaborate with others globally? But Globalization 3.0 not only
differs from the previous eras in how it is shrinking and flattening the world
and in how it is empowering individuals. It is also different in that
Globalization 1.0 and 2.0 were driven primarily by European and American companies
and countries. But going forward, this will be less and less true. Globalization
3.0 is not only going to be driven more by individuals but also by a much
more diverse -- non-Western, nonwhite -- group of individuals. In Globalization
3.0, you are going to see every color of the human rainbow take part.

''Today, the most profound thing to me is the fact that a 14-year-old in
Romania or Bangalore or the Soviet Union or Vietnam has all the information, all
the tools, all the software easily available to apply knowledge however they
want,'' said Marc Andreessen, a co-founder of Netscape and creator of the first
commercial Internet browser. ''That is why I am sure the next Napster is going
to come out of left field. As bioscience becomes more computational and less
about wet labs and as all the genomic data becomes easily available on the
Internet, at some point you will be able to design vaccines on your laptop.''

Andreessen is touching on the most exciting part of Globalization 3.0 and the
flattening of the world: the fact that we are now in the process of
connecting all the knowledge pools in the world together. We've tasted some of the
downsides of that in the way that Osama bin Laden has connected terrorist
knowledge pools together through his Qaeda network, not to mention the work of teenage
hackers spinning off more and more lethal computer viruses that affect us
all. But the upside is that by connecting all these knowledge pools we are on the
cusp of an incredible new era of innovation, an era that will be driven from
left field and right field, from West and East and from North and South. Only
30 years ago, if you had a choice of being born a B student in Boston or a
genius in Bangalore or Beijing, you probably would have chosen Boston, because a
genius in Beijing or Bangalore could not really take advantage of his or her
talent. They could not plug and play globally. Not anymore. Not when the world
is flat, and anyone with smarts, access to Google and a cheap wireless laptop
can join the innovation fray.

When the world is flat, you can innovate without having to emigrate. This is
going to get interesting. We are about to see creative destruction on
steroids.

ow did the world get flattened, and how did it happen so fast?

It was a result of 10 events and forces that all came together during the
1990's and converged right around the year 2000. Let me go through them briefly.
The first event was 11/9. That's right -- not 9/11, but 11/9. Nov. 9, 1989, is
the day the Berlin Wall came down, which was critically important because it
allowed us to think of the world as a single space. ''The Berlin Wall was not
only a symbol of keeping people inside Germany; it was a way of preventing a
kind of global view of our future,'' the Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya
Sen said. And the wall went down just as the windows went up -- the
breakthrough Microsoft Windows 3.0 operating system, which helped to flatten the playing
field even more by creating a global computer interface, shipped six months
after the wall fell.

The second key date was 8/9. Aug. 9, 1995, is the day Netscape went public,
which did two important things. First, it brought the Internet alive by giving
us the browser to display images and data stored on Web sites. Second, the
Netscape stock offering triggered the dot-com boom, which triggered the dot-com
bubble, which triggered the massive overinvestment of billions of dollars in
fiber-optic telecommunications cable. That overinvestment, by companies like
Global Crossing, resulted in the willy-nilly creation of a global
undersea-underground fiber network, which in turn drove down the cost of transmitting voices,
data and images to practically zero, which in turn accidentally made Boston,
Bangalore and Beijing next-door neighbors overnight. In sum, what the Netscape
revolution did was bring people-to-people connectivity to a whole new level.
Suddenly more people could connect with more other people from more different
places in more different ways than ever before.

No country accidentally benefited more from the Netscape moment than India.
''India had no resources and no infrastructure,'' said Dinakar Singh, one of
the most respected hedge-fund managers on Wall Street, whose parents earned
doctoral degrees in biochemistry from the University of Delhi before emigrating to
America. ''It produced people with quality and by quantity. But many of them
rotted on the docks of India like vegetables. Only a relative few could get on
ships and get out. Not anymore, because we built this ocean crosser, called
fiber-optic cable. For decades you had to leave India to be a professional. Now
you can plug into the world from India. You don't have to go to Yale and go
to work for Goldman Sachs.'' India could never have afforded to pay for the
bandwidth to connect brainy India with high-tech America, so American
shareholders paid for it. Yes, crazy overinvestment can be good. The overinvestment in
railroads turned out to be a great boon for the American economy. ''But the
railroad overinvestment was confined to your own country and so, too, were the
benefits,'' Singh said. In the case of the digital railroads, ''it was the
foreigners who benefited.'' India got a free ride.

The first time this became apparent was when thousands of Indian engineers
were enlisted to fix the Y2K -- the year 2000 -- computer bugs for companies
from all over the world. (Y2K should be a national holiday in India. Call it
''Indian Interdependence Day,'' says Michael Mandelbaum, a foreign-policy analyst
at Johns Hopkins.) The fact that the Y2K work could be outsourced to Indians
was made possible by the first two flatteners, along with a third, which I call
''workflow.'' Workflow is shorthand for all the software applications,
standards and electronic transmission pipes, like middleware, that connected all
those computers and fiber-optic cable. To put it another way, if the Netscape
moment connected people to people like never before, what the workflow revolution
did was connect applications to applications so that people all over the
world could work together in manipulating and shaping words, data and images on
computers like never before.

Indeed, this breakthrough in people-to-people and application-to-application
connectivity produced, in short order, six more flatteners -- six new ways in
which individuals and companies could collaborate on work and share knowledge.
One was ''outsourcing.'' When my software applications could connect
seamlessly with all of your applications, it meant that all kinds of work -- from
accounting to software-writing -- could be digitized, disaggregated and shifted to
any place in the world where it could be done better and cheaper. The second
was ''offshoring.'' I send my whole factory from Canton, Ohio, to Canton,
China. The third was ''open-sourcing.'' I write the next operating system, Linux,
using engineers collaborating together online and working for free. The fourth
was ''insourcing.'' I let a company like UPS come inside my company and take
over my whole logistics operation -- everything from filling my orders online
to delivering my goods to repairing them for customers when they break.
(People have no idea what UPS really does today. You'd be amazed!). The fifth was
''supply-chaining.'' This is Wal-Mart's specialty. I create a global supply
chain down to the last atom of efficiency so that if I sell an item in Arkansas,
another is immediately made in China. (If Wal-Mart were a country, it would be
China's eighth-largest trading partner.) The last new form of collaboration I
call ''informing'' -- this is Google, Yahoo and MSN Search, which now allow
anyone to collaborate with, and mine, unlimited data all by themselves.

So the first three flatteners created the new platform for collaboration, and
the next six are the new forms of collaboration that flattened the world even
more. The 10th flattener I call ''the steroids,'' and these are wireless
access and voice over Internet protocol (VoIP). What the steroids do is
turbocharge all these new forms of collaboration, so you can now do any one of them,
from anywhere, with any device.

The world got flat when all 10 of these flatteners converged around the year
2000. This created a global, Web-enabled playing field that allows for
multiple forms of collaboration on research and work in real time, without regard to
geography, distance or, in the near future, even language. ''It is the
creation of this platform, with these unique attributes, that is the truly important
sustainable breakthrough that made what you call the flattening of the world
possible,'' said Craig Mundie, the chief technical officer of Microsoft.

No, not everyone has access yet to this platform, but it is open now to more
people in more places on more days in more ways than anything like it in
history. Wherever you look today -- whether it is the world of journalism, with
bloggers bringing down Dan Rather; the world of software, with the Linux code
writers working in online forums for free to challenge Microsoft; or the world of
business, where Indian and Chinese innovators are competing against and
working with some of the most advanced Western multinationals -- hierarchies are
being flattened and value is being created less and less within vertical silos
and more and more through horizontal collaboration within companies, between
companies and among individuals.

Do you recall ''the IT revolution'' that the business press has been pushing
for the last 20 years? Sorry to tell you this, but that was just the prologue.
The last 20 years were about forging, sharpening and distributing all the new
tools to collaborate and connect. Now the real information revolution is
about to begin as all the complementarities among these collaborative tools start
to converge. One of those who first called this moment by its real name was
Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard C.E.O., who in 2004 began to declare
in her public speeches that the dot-com boom and bust were just ''the end of
the beginning.'' The last 25 years in technology, Fiorina said, have just been
''the warm-up act.'' Now we are going into the main event, she said, ''and by
the main event, I mean an era in which technology will truly transform every
aspect of business, of government, of society, of life.''

s if this flattening wasn't enough, another convergence coincidentally
occurred during the 1990's that was equally important. Some three billion people who
were out of the game walked, and often ran, onto the playing field. I am
talking about the people of China, India, Russia, Eastern Europe, Latin America
and Central Asia. Their economies and political systems all opened up during the
course of the 1990's so that their people were increasingly free to join the
free market. And when did these three billion people converge with the new
playing field and the new business processes? Right when it was being flattened,
right when millions of them could compete and collaborate more equally, more
horizontally and with cheaper and more readily available tools. Indeed, thanks
to the flattening of the world, many of these new entrants didn't even have to
leave home to participate. Thanks to the 10 flatteners, the playing field
came to them!

It is this convergence -- of new players, on a new playing field, developing
new processes for horizontal collaboration -- that I believe is the most
important force shaping global economics and politics in the early 21st century.
Sure, not all three billion can collaborate and compete. In fact, for most
people the world is not yet flat at all. But even if we're talking about only 10
percent, that's 300 million people -- about twice the size of the American work
force. And be advised: the Indians and Chinese are not racing us to the
bottom. They are racing us to the top. What China's leaders really want is that the
next generation of underwear and airplane wings not just be ''made in China''
but also be ''designed in China.'' And that is where things are heading. So in
30 years we will have gone from ''sold in China'' to ''made in China'' to
''designed in China'' to ''dreamed up in China'' -- or from China as collaborator
with the worldwide manufacturers on nothing to China as a low-cost,
high-quality, hyperefficient collaborator with worldwide manufacturers on everything.
Ditto India. Said Craig Barrett, the C.E.O. of Intel, ''You don't bring three
billion people into the world economy overnight without huge consequences,
especially from three societies'' -- like India, China and Russia -- ''with rich
educational heritages.''

That is why there is nothing that guarantees that Americans or Western
Europeans will continue leading the way. These new players are stepping onto the
playing field legacy free, meaning that many of them were so far behind that they
can leap right into the new technologies without having to worry about all
the sunken costs of old systems. It means that they can move very fast to adopt
new, state-of-the-art technologies, which is why there are already more
cellphones in use in China today than there are people in America.

If you want to appreciate the sort of challenge we are facing, let me share
with you two conversations. One was with some of the Microsoft officials who
were involved in setting up Microsoft's research center in Beijing, Microsoft
Research Asia, which opened in 1998 -- after Microsoft sent teams to Chinese
universities to administer I.Q. tests in order to recruit the best brains from
China's 1.3 billion people. Out of the 2,000 top Chinese engineering and science
students tested, Microsoft hired 20. They have a saying at Microsoft about
their Asia center, which captures the intensity of competition it takes to win a
job there and explains why it is already the most productive research team at
Microsoft: ''Remember, in China, when you are one in a million, there are
1,300 other people just like you.''

The other is a conversation I had with Rajesh Rao, a young Indian
entrepreneur who started an electronic-game company from Bangalore, which today owns the
rights to Charlie Chaplin's image for mobile computer games. ''We can't
relax,'' Rao said. ''I think in the case of the United States that is what happened
a bit. Please look at me: I am from India. We have been at a very different
level before in terms of technology and business. But once we saw we had an
infrastructure that made the world a small place, we promptly tried to make the
best use of it. We saw there were so many things we could do. We went ahead, and
today what we are seeing is a result of that. There is no time to rest. That
is gone. There are dozens of people who are doing the same thing you are
doing, and they are trying to do it better. It is like water in a tray: you shake
it, and it will find the path of least resistance. That is what is going to
happen to so many jobs -- they will go to that corner of the world where there is
the least resistance and the most opportunity. If there is a skilled person
in Timbuktu, he will get work if he knows how to access the rest of the world,
which is quite easy today. You can make a Web site and have an e-mail address
and you are up and running. And if you are able to demonstrate your work,
using the same infrastructure, and if people are comfortable giving work to you
and if you are diligent and clean in your transactions, then you are in
business.''

Instead of complaining about outsourcing, Rao said, Americans and Western
Europeans would ''be better off thinking about how you can raise your bar and
raise yourselves into doing something better. Americans have consistently led in
innovation over the last century. Americans whining -- we have never seen that
before.''

ao is right. And it is time we got focused. As a person who grew up during
the cold war, I'll always remember driving down the highway and listening to the
radio, when suddenly the music would stop and a grim-voiced announcer would
come on the air and say: ''This is a test. This station is conducting a test of
the Emergency Broadcast System.'' And then there would be a 20-second
high-pitched siren sound. Fortunately, we never had to live through a moment in the
cold war when the announcer came on and said, ''This is a not a test.''

That, however, is exactly what I want to say here: ''This is not a test.''

The long-term opportunities and challenges that the flattening of the world
puts before the United States are profound. Therefore, our ability to get by
doing things the way we've been doing them -- which is to say not always
enriching our secret sauce -- will not suffice any more. ''For a country as wealthy
we are, it is amazing how little we are doing to enhance our natural
competitiveness,'' says Dinakar Singh, the Indian-American hedge-fund manager. ''We are
in a world that has a system that now allows convergence among many billions
of people, and we had better step back and figure out what it means. It would
be a nice coincidence if all the things that were true before were still true
now, but there are quite a few things you actually need to do differently. You
need to have a much more thoughtful national discussion.''

If this moment has any parallel in recent American history, it is the height
of the cold war, around 1957, when the Soviet Union leapt ahead of America in
the space race by putting up the Sputnik satellite. The main challenge then
came from those who wanted to put up walls; the main challenge to America today
comes from the fact that all the walls are being taken down and many other
people can now compete and collaborate with us much more directly. The main
challenge in that world was from those practicing extreme Communism, namely Russia,
China and North Korea. The main challenge to America today is from those
practicing extreme capitalism, namely China, India and South Korea. The main
objective in that era was building a strong state, and the main objective in this
era is building strong individuals.

Meeting the challenges of flatism requires as comprehensive, energetic and
focused a response as did meeting the challenge of Communism. It requires a
president who can summon the nation to work harder, get smarter, attract more
young women and men to science and engineering and build the broadband
infrastructure, portable pensions and health care that will help every American become
more employable in an age in which no one can guarantee you lifetime employment.

We have been slow to rise to the challenge of flatism, in contrast to
Communism, maybe because flatism doesn't involve ICBM missiles aimed at our cities.
Indeed, the hot line, which used to connect the Kremlin with the White House,
has been replaced by the help line, which connects everyone in America to call
centers in Bangalore. While the other end of the hot line might have had
Leonid Brezhnev threatening nuclear war, the other end of the help line just has a
soft voice eager to help you sort out your AOL bill or collaborate with you on
a new piece of software. No, that voice has none of the menace of Nikita
Khrushchev pounding a shoe on the table at the United Nations, and it has none of
the sinister snarl of the bad guys in ''From Russia With Love.'' No, that
voice on the help line just has a friendly Indian lilt that masks any sense of
threat or challenge. It simply says: ''Hello, my name is Rajiv. Can I help you?''

No, Rajiv, actually you can't. When it comes to responding to the challenges
of the flat world, there is no help line we can call. We have to dig into
ourselves. We in America have all the basic economic and educational tools to do
that. But we have not been improving those tools as much as we should. That is
why we are in what Shirley Ann Jackson, the 2004 president of the American
Association for the Advancement of Science and president of Rensselaer
Polytechnic Institute, calls a ''quiet crisis'' -- one that is slowly eating away at
America's scientific and engineering base.

''If left unchecked,'' said Jackson, the first African-American woman to earn
a Ph.D. in physics from M.I.T., ''this could challenge our pre-eminence and
capacity to innovate.'' And it is our ability to constantly innovate new
products, services and companies that has been the source of America's horn of
plenty and steadily widening middle class for the last two centuries. This quiet
crisis is a product of three gaps now plaguing American society. The first is an
''ambition gap.'' Compared with the young, energetic Indians and Chinese, too
many Americans have gotten too lazy. As David Rothkopf, a former official in
the Clinton Commerce Department, puts it, ''The real entitlement we need to
get rid of is our sense of entitlement.'' Second, we have a serious numbers gap
building. We are not producing enough engineers and scientists. We used to
make up for that by importing them from India and China, but in a flat world,
where people can now stay home and compete with us, and in a post-9/11 world,
where we are insanely keeping out many of the first-round intellectual draft
choices in the world for exaggerated security reasons, we can no longer cover the
gap. That's a key reason companies are looking abroad. The numbers are not
here. And finally we are developing an education gap. Here is the dirty little
secret that no C.E.O. wants to tell you: they are not just outsourcing to save
on salary. They are doing it because they can often get better-skilled and more
productive people than their American workers.

These are some of the reasons that Bill Gates, the Microsoft chairman, warned
the governors' conference in a Feb. 26 speech that American high-school
education is ''obsolete.'' As Gates put it: ''When I compare our high schools to
what I see when I'm traveling abroad, I am terrified for our work force of
tomorrow. In math and science, our fourth graders are among the top students in the
world. By eighth grade, they're in the middle of the pack. By 12th grade,
U.S. students are scoring near the bottom of all industrialized nations. . . .
The percentage of a population with a college degree is important, but so are
sheer numbers. In 2001, India graduated almost a million more students from
college than the United States did. China graduates twice as many students with
bachelor's degrees as the U.S., and they have six times as many graduates
majoring in engineering. In the international competition to have the biggest and
best supply of knowledge workers, America is falling behind.''

We need to get going immediately. It takes 15 years to train a good engineer,
because, ladies and gentlemen, this really is rocket science. So parents,
throw away the Game Boy, turn off the television and get your kids to work. There
is no sugar-coating this: in a flat world, every individual is going to have
to run a little faster if he or she wants to advance his or her standard of
living. When I was growing up, my parents used to say to me, ''Tom, finish your
dinner -- people in China are starving.'' But after sailing to the edges of
the flat world for a year, I am now telling my own daughters, ''Girls, finish
your homework -- people in China and India are starving for your jobs.''

I repeat, this is not a test. This is the beginning of a crisis that won't
remain quiet for long. And as the Stanford economist Paul Romer so rightly says,
''A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.''




Thomas L. Friedman is the author of ''The World Is Flat: A Brief History of
the Twenty-First Century,'' to be published this week by Farrar, Straus &
Giroux and from which this article is adapted. His column appears on the Op-Ed page
of The Times, and his television documentary ''Does Europe Hate Us?'' will be
shown on the Discovery Channel on April 7 at 8 p.m.

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