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John Clogg <[log in to unmask]>
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John Clogg <[log in to unmask]>
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Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:50:45 -0800
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The United States has free public education for everyone.  In fact, children 
in a certain range of ages are required to attend.  All teachers are 
required to have college degrees, and most have postgraduate education.  All 
are certified in education.  Why then do we fail to educate so many of our 
citizens?  I'm sure there are many answers but one big component is that a 
lot of the students don't WANT to learn.  How do you force them to do so?  I 
am convinced the primary reason private schools are generally better than 
public schools is that the private schools can kick out the students who 
won't perform or who are disruptive.  They also have the power to flunk a 
student who does not learn the required material, even if the parents want 
their child promoted for social reasons.

What is the solution, then?  Public schools are required to accept any 
student.  Also, many of the idiots shown in the video are older people whose 
education is probably not much of a factor in their ignorance of geography 
and politics.  If they would occasionally pick up a newspaper or watch the 
news on television, they would know more than they demonstrated in that 
piece.  The problem is apathy.  It's not that they are incapable of 
understanding that Iran isn't an island in the southern hemisphere, it's 
that they don't want to know.

John Clogg


>From: Raphael Sulkovitz <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: knowledge on youtube
>Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:23:25 +0000
>
>Everyone I notified of this site expressed  shock and awe.
>Just a bit of the money we have been spending on the Iraq war sould have 
>been directed to a Marshall Plan for U.S. public education, but on the 
>other hand, if we were to do that (years ago, that is), there could, and 
>probably would, be an enormous opposition to the war, and therefore, no 
>Iraq war. Quelle dommage!
>More money for schools, by itself, may not do a thing for education.  We 
>may need to also replace our indoctrination system with an education system 
>and that will not be easy.  But, other countries have built superb public 
>education systems, and not only a few elite schools for the bright, or 
>privileged.
>It is never too late for revamping our education system, and we need to get 
>started very soon, if not when you finish reading this line.
>
>How is that for a naive rant?
>
>R.S.
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: John Clogg <[log in to unmask]>
>
> > Holy mackerel! What an incredible display of ignorance! It has been said
> > that two things are universal - hydrogen and stupidity. Of course, it 
>would
> > be possible for a reporter from the USA to go to England or any other
> > country and find stupid people to interview. Still, that was painful to
> > watch!
> >
> > John Clogg
> >
> >
> > >From: Michael Baier
> > >Reply-To: Michael Baier
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: [HP3000-L] OT: knowledge on youtube
> > >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:02:03 -0500
> > >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/v/HCkYfYa8ePI
> > >
> > >frightning.
> > >
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