Christian,
There are many reasons why a business makes decisions like this. In the
final analysis it would be difficult to come up the exact reason, however,
I don't think there could be any question to that attack of 9/11 would be
the final straw! Without 9/11, its my belief that the 3000 would still be
in production.
Thanks,
Jeff
At 12:51 PM 3/22/2006, Christian Lheureux wrote:
>Jeff,
>
>In theory, you could be right, but the timeline just does not cut. Why ?
>Because the HP-Compaq merger was announced 09/25/2001, just 2 weeks after
>the infamous attacks, and it's obvious the decision to scuttle CSY and the
>3000 was taken a long time before the announcement, perhaps 6 months before.
>Insider sources back this.
>
>Christian
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] De la part
> > de Jeff Kubler
> > Envoyé : mercredi 22 mars 2006 20:05
> > À : [log in to unmask]
> > Objet : Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Third anniversary
> >
> > John,
> > Here is another interesting thought based on our own self
> > interest. Doesn't anyone make a correlation between 9/11/2001 and
> > 11/14/2001?? The attack sadly cost us 3000+ U.S. lives and it is my view
> > that 9/11 cost us the future of the HP 3000. The HP 3000 could have
> > continued and might have without the disaster and its affect on the
> > economy. Would that the previous administration to Bush's had taken
> > action
> > and we might yet have a future for the HP 3000!
> > Thanks,
> > Jeff Kubler
> > At 10:00 AM 3/21/2006, John Lee wrote:
> > >But the attacks have also subsided, as we've learned how to deal with
> > >them. And we've learned how to deal with them partly by getting inside
> > >these networks and tearing them down. It's dirty work, but the
> > >alternative was to do nothing, and history proved that didn't work. It
> > >cost us 3000 lives in one hour back in 2001. How quickly we forget those
> > >who died that day.
> > >
> > >John Lee
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 09:43 AM 3/21/06 -0800, Glenn Paden wrote:
> > >>Reality is a little more complex than that. I'll bet there was some in
> > Spain
> > >>or England who took some comfort in that line of reasoning.
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: John Lee [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:52 AM
> > >>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Third anniversary
> > >>
> > >>Reality to me, as I told one of my daughters last night, is that the car
> > >>bombs are being planted in Iraq and not in the USA. And after 9/11, I
> > >>wasn't so sure that car bombs weren't about to start going off in my
> > >>neighborhood. This may sound selfish, but who amongst us doesn't feel
> > the
> > >>same way?
> > >>
> > >>John Lee
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>At 10:18 AM 3/21/06 -0500, James B. Byrne wrote:
> > >> >On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:21:31 -0600, Denys Beauchemin
> > >> ><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Here on Earth reality is somewhat different. Earlier this month a
> > >> > > book with the title "Saddam's Secrets" hit the bookstore
> > >> > > shelves. It is written by an Iraqi general called Georges Sada.
> > >> > > I bought a copy and I read it. I actually had to stop and put
> > >> > > down the book for a couple of days as one of the scenes he
> > >> > > described was just a little too disturbing for me.
> > >> >
> > >> >Reality is no more than what one chooses to believe and your
> > >> >evident belief that this publication is anything more than a PR
> > >> >exercise, no doubt funded in some obscure manner by U.S.
> > >> >Intelligence or Military sources if not actually written by a team
> > >> >of government ghost writers, is touching. It is without doubt
> > >> >brutal, for pornography is what sells after all.
> > >> >
> > >> >However, without the spectacle of outrageous brutality, what does
> > >> >it tell us? That Saddam, invader of Iran, conqueror of Kuwait,
> > >> >taker of millions of lives in wars and repression, and a brutal
> > >> >despot to his subjects, was a miserable creature that should have
> > >> >been marched into a dock at the Hague to answer for his crimes
> > >> >decades ago? And who, along with people like Idi Amin, Mobutu Sese
> > >> >Seko and Charles Taylor, would have been, but for the steadfast
> > >> >opposition and connivance of the governments of the USA, UK,
> > >> >France, USSR/Russia, and China.
> > >> >
> > >> >Demonizing alien opponents is an ancient, if tawdry, practice when
> > >> >rulers are faced with their own inadequacies and resultant
> > >> >discontent at home. So, what could be more convenient than the
> > >> >self-professed confession of an alleged "enemy" high-ranking
> > >> >officer to provide a sense of moral outrage to a population beset
> > >> >with flagging support for an illegal and otherwise unjust war
> > >> >instigated on the basis outright fabrications. The big lie is, in
> > >> >the end, the real business of kings and coining yet another to prop
> > >> >up the first is no great leap.
> > >> >
> > >> >However, I offer for relief of your temporary emotional distress
> > >> >the following report at:
> > >> >
> > >> >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/international/middleeast/19abuse.h
> > >> >tml.
> > >> >
> > >> ><satire>Admittedly this article is produced by journalists who,
> > >> >unlike pseudonymous Gen. Georges Sada (a most curious Sunni name,
> > >> >of French descent perhaps?), are subject to public scrutiny and
> > >> >cross-checking of sources. But, it is comforting to see that the
> > >> >United States acts in such an elevated manner itself when it comes
> > >> >to dealing with dissent.</satire>
> > >> >
> > >> >You might also want to delve into recent British experience with
> > >> >the militant IRA and their 30 year campaign to destroy it from
> > >> >inside. In true Orwellian fashion it turns out that for the last
> > >> >15 years of its existence the Provisional IRA was, in effect, a
> > >> >creature of British Military Intelligence (MI5). During this
> > >> >period it seems that many, if not most, of their violent acts were
> > >> >instigated, often funded, supplied and in some cases actually
> > >> >carried out, by fully paid and controlled agents of the British
> > >> >Crown.
> > >> >
> > >> >This month's "Atlantic Magazine" has a feature article on the
> > >> >affair (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200604/ira-spy) and
> > >> >mentions in passing the savoury practice by which MI5 had some of
> > >> >their agents betrayed (resulting in summary execution) by other
> > >> >agents to enhance the reputation of the survivors.
> > >> >
> > >> >With protectors such as these democracy can certainly rest easier,
> > >> >albeit in chains.
> > >> >
> > >> >
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