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Very, very, good example, but English speaking (colloquially 
enabled operators,) providing telephone support are in the 
service sector.  So the 'non-necessities' versus 'goods' 
comparison seems a bit disconnected.  Telephone Support is 
usually considered a necessity or enabled by warranty.

The example given could simply be changed to a coding or 
manufacturing job, there just wouldn't be a point in providing 
detailed English training.  (I'm sure there are of course, just 
as many other ways of exploiting off-shore employees and 
ruining their pay!)

Yet, domestically, I've never heard of many complexes (fenced 
or unfenced) built in the West that have contributed to the 
local infrastructure either.  They usually tap into the local 
power grid and pay their electric bill like everyone else.  
If the complex is a 24x7 facility, they just might have an 
emergency generator.

Also from what I've studied in Asia and Africa, businesses 
with their own power generation are fairly common.  It does 
not matter whether built by domestic or foreign concerns as 
the local power supply is just so unreliable as to not be
trusted.

So I wonder why that was reported at all?  The evil Western
company builds a complex with power and doesn't help the
local infrastructure.

But a regional company builds a similar complex and not
help the infrastructure either, but that doesn't get 
reported, does it?

Sounds like what is being said here, is that western 
corporations 'owe' other countries an infrastructure
whenever they build and employ.

BT


Tracy Johnson
MSI Schaevitz Sensors 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> Behalf Of Gates, Scott
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 3:58 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Stock market crash in India?!
> 
> 
> Perhaps it ties back to that show I saw on TechTV a few months back.
> Western companies were building fenced complexes with their own power
> generators and investing ZERO back into the local infrastructure. It
> reminded me of the British rubber and tea plantations of 70 
> years ago.  They
> TOOK local resources and labor with as little investment as 
> possible.  The
> only difference is, the corporations have figured out how to 
> take the local
> labor around the world without actually spending any money on it.  The
> laborers trained at their own expense how 'sound' like they 
> were not Indian,
> then worked until the company thought they were no longer 
> cost effective.
> The "Colloquial" English schools lasted from 6 months to a 
> year, paid for by
> donations from the pupil's extended family, then they might 
> only find a few
> months of 'salary work' before being fired.  It's bad that 
> the companies
> ship our jobs over there--the way the Indians are treated is 
> worse.  It's
> Lose-Lose--unless you're a western company getting seriously 
> cheap labor.
> 
> Face it, the people HERE who are put out of work by 
> off-shoring aren't going
> to buy a lot of non-necessities. And the people there aren't 
> going to buy
> western goods, because they are underpaid in addition to 
> being heavily in
> debt to their own relatives.  Who ever thought that the 
> arrangement was
> going to benefit anybody but the top levels of western corporations is
> seriously WRONG.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnson, Tracy [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 2:50 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Stock market crash in India?!
> Importance: Low
> 
> 
> Wow, the new Gov't just got elected a couple of days ago
> and they've already implemented changes to the marketplace.
> 
> It's amazing how fast the Indian gov't works!
> 
> (Insert sarcasm here.)
> 
> It's all perception.
> 
> BT
> 
> 
> Tracy Johnson
> MSI Schaevitz Sensors
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> >
> >
> > Ray asks:
> > >
> > > More good news for outsourcing?
> > >
> >
> > In part, the article states:
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------
> > ----
> > The market plunged on fears the Congress party - which will
> > head the new
> > government - could slow the privatization of state-run
> > companies and undo
> > market-friendly policies to appease leftist parties, whose 
> support is
> > crucial for a parliamentary majority.
> >
> 
> [snip]
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