But Art,
Is there a difference between a Professional Psycho and an Amateur?
Excerpt "Without Conscience"
- The Disturbing World Of The Psychopaths Among Us by Dr. Robert Hare
"He will choose you, disarm you with his words, and control you with
his presence. He will delight you with his wit and his plans. He will
show you a good time, but you will always get the bill. He will smile
and deceive you, and he will scare you with his eyes. And when he is
through with you, and he will be through with you, he will desert you
and take with him your innocence and your pride. You will be left much
sadder but not a lot wiser, and for a long time you will wonder what
happened and what you did wrong. And if another of his kind comes
knocking at your door, will you open it?"
BT
Tracy Johnson
MSI Schaevitz Sensors
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> Subject: [HP3000-L] IT Property Rights Ramblin's Was Re:
> [HP3000-L] RPG
> Compiler
>
>
> Hi Jerry and Brian :)
> I am usually the one who harps about the legal issues concerning
> 'copies of software' so I am probably one of Brian's Idiots, morons,
> "professional" psychos (sic) But I don't think I am a psycho
> professional
> or otherwise... and I looked up the other two word's
> definitions... nope...
> not those either... hehe... tho' I do like to have fun with
> life... I
> am, though, trained in Information Security... and a Software
> Developer...
> and that makes me worried that people think it is ok to steal
> software... I
> don't want anyone "giving away" copies of the software I
> developed and sell
> to make a living. I also will take appropriate legal steps
> to enforce my
> trademarks, copyrights and intellectual property rights when
> necessary.
>
> Brian may or may not realize that just because a company quits
> producing or even supporting a piece of software does not mean they
> automatically and/or immediately release the rights of
> ownership to said
> software. I personally still maintain the rights to several
> packages I
> have written over the years ... and the intellectual rights
> to all that I
> have written since I cut my first 'for pay' code back in
> '82... I am young
> :)
>
> Remember, copying software without paying for it... or
> obtaining the
> right to copy is illegal... and depending on the value of the software
> (last I researched it is based on MSRP) the crime could
> easily be Grand
> Theft or higher.
>
> Also, HP is required by law to "aggressively" enforce
> it's copyrights
> (they last long after the entity holding them dies/ceases to
> be) and it's
> trademarks.
>
> Since, HP does monitor this list and it's employees
> monitor the list
> and the University, where the listserv is housed monitors the
> traffic of
> this list... HP may already be considering whether or not it
> needs to take
> appropriate action.
>
> The operator of the listserv may also be required to inform the
> authorities of attempts to pass software illegally through
> any listservs it
> operates. Just as it may have to inform the authorities of
> any and/or all
> activities observed that violate the laws of the United States.
>
> But there is something other than just the simple issue
> of theft of
> property (same as if you were to steal a HP company vehicle
> from a parking
> spot in a resturant's parking lot) there is the issue of professional
> courtesy.
>
> Do you want someone stealing (and yes that is what it is)
> your software
> that you have developed and sell for a profit? This is what
> you are doing
> if you obtain a copy of software that has not been released
> into the public
> domain as either shareware or freeware.
>
> Licence agreements actually are more of open-ended
> leases... most of
> them do have clauses in them that require you to return the media and
> remove the software from your machines when you cease to use
> it. Also,
> there are clauses that cover your actions when you either
> give it away or
> sell it to another entity.
>
> I would like someone from HP's sales/legal staff to let
> me know if it
> is legal to "give away" HP 3000 software? Microsoft allows
> for it as
> long as you give the original media to the new owner and destroy all
> archive copies of the software.
>
> I know that HP has released some of the HP 3k's software
> and utilities
> into the public domain... but do they plan to release all of
> them? This
> would seem to support their goal of helping the
> 'homesteaders' but I have
> not seen or heard anything about that...
>
> Thanks,
> Art Bahrs, CISSP # 33678
>
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> At 01:05 PM 11/23/2004 -0500, Brian Donaldson wrote:
> >Sending me idiotic, psycho, covert hate mails to my personal
> email address
> >doesn't do anything to me. It is water off a duck's back. I
> laugh at you
> >all, especially PAUL EDWARDS and CHUCKIE CIESINSKI. Don't
> ever email me
> >again, you two idiots.
>
> Both Paul and Chuck provided appropriate responses (based
> upon the e-mail
> message snippets shared with the list) indicating that there are legal
> software licensing and copyright issues involved.
> Apparently, based upon
> your comments in a response, you do not feel compelled to abide by
> copyright/licensing issues given that HP has discontinued the
> platform. The fact that they are sensitive to these types of
> issues and
> chose to politely point this out, when compared to the responses they
> received, shows a marked difference in the professional integrity
> demonstrated by Paul, Chuck and yourself.
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