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Larry Barnes <[log in to unmask]>
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Larry Barnes <[log in to unmask]>
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Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:23:06 -0700
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I've been trying to relocate to Boise for some time now....I've was there in
1990 looking for work and I'm looking now but there's nothing available.  Boise
is a great place.  From what I'm hearing those who moved there from California
back in the 90's are now leaving becuase the life style isn't fast enough for
them.

Dave Darnell wrote:

> Joseph Rosenblatt wrote:
> >
> > Idaho surely conjures up names of great hi-tech innovation like Ted
> > Kaczynski.
> >
> > Joseph Rosenblatt
>
> How to respond to this.... How about "no value added" as well as
> "inaccurate".
>
> The Unabomber's shack was in Montana, and he had virtually nothing to do
> with Idaho.
>
> Perhaps, when you think of Idaho and high Tech, you can think of Micron
> Semiconductor and be a little more fair and productive.  Or for examples of
> Idaho companies making it very big, TrusJoist International, Boise-Cascade,
> Morrison-Knudson, J.R.Simplot......
>
> Idaho is an easy target for those filled with bitter gall, and a common
> source for anecdotes about separatists, neo-nazis, and so forth.   To bad
> that kind of press doesn't keep people from moving there (from California,
> mostly) in waves and droves.
>
> To me, the most amazing aspect of this barb is that all I had to do was
> state my preference for "traditional values" - I hadn't attacked anyone!
>
> What is the difference between righteousness and self-righteousness? Well,
> if you feel you have to express anger or attack people's character, it ain't
> righteousness.
>
> Idaho   ranks 41st in % households on food stamps (Connecticut = 27th), 37th
> for crimes per capita (Connecticut = 36th).  On the average, people are
> leaving Connecticut (3.2% decrease in 199), but moving to Idaho (10.3%
> increase in 1999).  I hope the unfortunate misspelling for the word
> "Intergrated" [sic] on the main page at i2sworld.com is not indicative of
> the level of literacy in that region of Connecticut.
>
> I'm going to be silent for a few days, and just have fun watching the OTs.
> This 3000-L list is 99.9% value added, and I have learned a lot (on and
> off-topic) in the short time I've been watching it.  There are a lot of
> liberals with good minds and well-considered opinions here, and I have
> learned from them, too.
>
> -Dave
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph Rosenblatt [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:57 AM
> > To: Dave Darnell; [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] OT: rotating blackouts ordered for Northern
> > California
> >
> >
> > Idaho surely conjures up names of great hi-tech innovation like Ted
> > Kaczynski.
> >
> > Joseph Rosenblatt
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of Dave Darnell
> > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 2:29 PM
> > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:      Re: [HP3000-L] OT: rotating blackouts ordered
> > for Northern
> > California
> >
> > It's that last four sentences that make Kansas especially
> > attractive to me!
> >
> > Dave "Original Idaho Conservative" Darnell
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wirt Atmar [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:17 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: OT: rotating blackouts ordered for Northern California
> > >
> > >
> > > Glenn asks:
> > >
> > > > Hey - how about the other side of Denver?  Kansas would
> > > more than welcome
> > > >  any expansion.
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > >  We take our politics, like most of our religious life, on
> > > a conservative
> > > >  scale.  The state has been overwhelmingly Republican since
> > > being founded in
> > > >  the mid-1830's.  Remember Carry Nation?  Well, she was a
> > > native-Kansas...
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, it's these last four sentences that pretty
> > > much guarantee that
> > > Kansas won't be a future center of high-tech innovation, at
> > > least not in the
> > > near-term.
> > >
> > > If you look at where all of the Silicon Valleys are, they're
> > > smack in the
> > > middle of the most liberal, most highly educated populations
> > > in the United
> > > States.
> > >
> > > Today's NY Times ran an article today concerning the comments
> > > of a great
> > > number of the CEO's of these technology-based corporations
> > > regarding Bush's
> > > new education push. They're all for it, but not in the way
> > > that people in
> > > Kansas are.
> > >
> > > In Kansas and Tennessee and Mississippi, Bush's education
> > > agenda is being
> > > primarily interpreted as the idea of school vouchers, which
> > > is political code
> > > for the notion that the US government (meaning all of us)
> > > should pay for
> > > their children to attend religious academies so that they
> > > will not be exposed
> > > to the corrupting ideas of modern science.
> > >
> > > But in California, the idea's radically different. These
> > > CEO's very much want
> > > the US government to massively invest in public education,
> > > raise standards,
> > > and raise accountability, in a manner that recapitulates the
> > > national defense
> > > push for educational reform that followed directly after
> > the launch of
> > > Sputnik in 1957. Without these impositions of strict new
> > > guidelines, they see
> > > the US falling ever further behind, unable to find a
> > > sufficient labor pool of
> > > well educated, innovative thinkers without greatly increasing
> > > our dependence
> > > on foreign workers.
> > >
> > > Bush lays out his education agenda today. He's going to have
> > > a problem on his
> > > hands, trying to satisfy both groups: the people who voted
> > > for him and the
> > > people who paid for his election.
> > >
> > > Wirt Atmar
> > >
> >

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