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Dana Smith <[log in to unmask]>
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Dana Smith <[log in to unmask]>
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You lost me Shawn. Are you saying being a good typist makes you an
expert in typewriter technology? Are you saying that because you were
never taught these  skills, they don't exist? When you say "these
features cost about $20,000" which features are you referring to? The
only superscript I saw in the web link you posted was the "th" and this
in itself was in fact very common on typewriters back in the 70's. It
was only one key. There was no ability to superscript all letters. Where
is your source of information that supports the $20K number? 

I have been amazed at the amount of misinformation being distributed
about this stuff over the last week. In fact I heard NPR explaining what
proportional spaced fonts are and they explained it backwards. Clearly
they didn't understand what they were trying to explain. 

Now, in support of your position, the method Wirt describes below simply
will not work with typewriters back in that period that were capable of
producing proportional spaced fonts. That is not to say it can't be
done. It's simply not as easy as Wirt describes because his method
presumes fixed spaced fonts.

Lest you try to label me as a Democrat, I am not. In fact I've been a
Republican since voting age. I prefer to look at the candidates based on
their platform. What are you going to do when you get in office and how
are you going to do it? Throwing mud back and forth and discussing
things from 30+ years ago is fruitless. Isn't the real indictment if
indeed GWB was able to manipulate the system, an indictment of the
system itself? Same goes for Kerry and his purple hearts. My
brother-in-law assailed Kerry last weekend for "writing up" his own
purple hearts. My response to him was to simply ask the same question.
Aren't you complaining about the process for granting purple hearts?
Kerry just took advantage of the process if indeed my bro-in-law's
contention is correct. 

Oh and by the way... The reason I know so much about typewriters? My
family was in the business of selling and servicing them for over 20
years. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Gordon [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:24 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Subj: OT: Re: [HP3000-L] 60 OT: re 
Minutes Documents on Bush ...


I started taking typing lessons in 1970, and also took them 
several other times, and I worked as a data entry clerk when I 
was young in the early 80's and I'll tell you what.  No one 
ever taught these "tips" in any of the classes I took, and none 
of the typewriters I ever used, and I used a lot as I'm a very 
good typist, had the ability to superscript, and I was typing 
at a bunch of different offices, places that were more likely 
to have these types of features.  At the time these documents 
were supposedly produced, the typewriter that was available 
that had these features cost about $20,000, which seems 
unlikely that this guy would have had one, ignoring all the 
other preponderance of evidence that also indicates these are 
forgeries.  Interesting link 
http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf

I'm certain that Wirt agrees with me when I say it is certainly 
worth thoroughly investigating because if it in fact turns out 
to be a forgery then CBS news has some serious work to do to 
figure out how they turned from a serious new agency in to a 
shill for the liberals.  Oh, but to cover their bases Terry 
McAweful has already said that these must have been forged and 
planted by Karl Rove, which even if they were doesn't excuse 
CBS total failure to properly investigate and fact check, so 
it's a "loose loose" as far as I can see.



At 03:19 AM 9/11/2004, Wirt Atmar wrote:
>Stan writes:
>
> > A skilled secretary could pick&choose words well and achieve amazing
>results
> > on a typewriter...
> >  I know from experience, watching my grandmother type things for me 
> > in
>school
> > in 1970.
>
>One of the complaints about the Bush documents is the quality of the 
>centering of various titles and the fact that such things couldn't be 
>done in the 1970's. One of the first algorithms I learned in 
>high-school typing class in 1962
>was how to accurately center text easily and quickly:
>
>      Step 1. Fold a piece of paper shortwise and insert it into the 
>typewriter in order to locate the center of the page.
>
>      Step 2. Set a mechanical stop on the fold. Take the folded piece 
>of paper out of the carriage and dispose of it. (These first two steps 
>only have to be done once, of course.)
>
>      Step 3. Insert a clean piece of paper. Tab to the center-of-page 
>stop. Press the backspace key once for every two characters in 
the line 
>that you wish to center.
>
>      Step 4. Type the line of text to be centered.
>
>      Step 5. Voila.
>
>Wirt Atmar
>
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Regards,

Shawn Gordon
President
theKompany.com
www.thekompany.com
949-713-3276

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