cbridges wrote:

> This could be a "training issue" rather than a matter of who did hiring
> as is the case with our colleague who needed the manuals a few weeks
> ago! In his case, he's capable of doing the work; his superiors just
> figure he can learn it from a book since they have budgetary
> restrictions that preclude them from sending him to System Management
> classes.

[putting on my new sig-sysman hat...]  i hear this over and over about
new system managers not getting any formal training because of the
expense involved and it does not make me happy (and we all know
how important *that* is :-).  a quick stroll thru my hp training catalog
tells the following tale:  the mpe system managers class is $2250(!!)
it's not available on tape (like other classes) nor is it available as
a self-paced course (like hp-ux sys. admin. is).   hmmmm, at a
minimum, i think offering a self-paced version of the class would
be in order.  would you (plural) let me know what you think
about the idea?  private/list replies...doesn't matter....       - d
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