At some ungodly hour, Jeff Kell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > <snip standard Unix horror story> (Sorry, could not resist putting
> > "standard" there, somewhere :-)
>
>To play devil's advocate, the beast had been up and running, rather
>reliably, for months prior to this; but a 'vendor requirement'
>necessitated the move (or attempt thereof) to 11.0. It does a
>reasonable job once you get it properly tweaked and leave it alone.
This is wonderful. I am glad.
> > Richard Gambrell <[log in to unmask]> expands the limits of
> > Jeff's humble request:
> >
> > > I want my MPE :-(
> >
> > Ditto - With Image, NOT Oracle! SQL I do like, but Oracle has far
> > too many complications and complexities.
>
>Amen. And I failed to mention that assuming we get Oracle back up,
>we have to recompile *everything* that touches Oracle.
The government (all over the world) should require this to be included,
in small print, on all Oracle advertisements. Something like this:
GOVERNMENT WARNING: Oracle is hazardous to your...
> > What are the reasons for the folks at UTC *NOT* to give your MPE
> > (and Richard's IMAGE) to you instead of HPUX and Oracle?
>
>We abandoned all of the student system except for fee payment, student
>receivables, and financial aid (the high-maintenance items that always
>run a race to keep up with government regulations). The other 90% of
>our student support systems are still on MPE (thank goodness).
Who is the royal "We" in "We abandoned..."?
> > Can you invite the recalcitrant souls to have "fun with HPUX and
> > Oracle" with you the next time you go through this exercise?
>
>We had two very competent HP engineers the first day. Not Bill Hassel
>mind you but certainly no slouches either.
Probably my accent got in the way. I did *not* mean the very competent
HP engineers and I certainly did not mean Bill Hassel. These superb
folks (and HP is very lucky to have them) do their utmost to bring
HP's HP-UX customers the absolute best level of service. I have the
highest degree of respect for their technical knowledge.
I meant the "higher up" folks at UTC :-)
> > Can you show them this clipping, which was mentioned on HP3000-L
> > a few days ago?
>
>I think they were as aggravated as we were :-) The users certainly got
>a taste of it Monday morning when we expected to be long-since finished
>with the upgrade.
Both kinds of individuals (actually, there are THREE kinds of individuals
if we add you and Richard to the brave HP souls and the unsuspecting
UTC users) should NOT have to spend all this frustrating time being
aggravated. Again, as a gentle reminder, I meant "them" to refer to
the "higher up" folks at UTC :-)
>We know some kernel parms were out of whack. In retrospect, some of the
>other problems may have been in LD_LIBRARY path. But that isn't all.
>There are just too many 'fix it and forget it' magic incantations to get
>the thing going to remember them all.
And this is, precisely, the whole point.
> > What can be done to prevent your wasting your life away on HPUX stuff?
> >
> > Hey, there is a lot of deep-sea diving to be done and life is
> > short...
>
>Were it not for the proximity to HPWorld, I'd be seeing my travel agent
>:-)
Are you NOT seeing your travel agent anyway, then?
Anyhow, I wish a speedy recovery for your sake, for the sake of HP's
competent engineers, and for the sake of your users. After all, the
"higher ups" (at UTC, at HP, and all over the place) seem to be
completely at peace with themselves and seem to be above all of these
minor technical details. Should they be required to spend a day per
month manning (womanning?) the support lines of their darling systems?
I am sure it would do the world a lot of good.
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