Hi

Some people are very sensitive.

Why when I thought I wrote a fairly acceptable Email, expressing perhaps
another view point other than the stereotype American one, do I receive some
ridiculous response like this.

>And, it is the only nation in history that, in time of war, has had the
>means to conquer anyone and everyone, and then, did not use it. After WWII,
>we could pretty much have made British Imperialism seem like a dress
>rehearsal, walked into any and every capital city, and set our own
policies.
>Don't like it? This bomb's for you. Cities proved easy enough to rebuild.

So are you advocating that America could have blown up the world if it
wanted to.  Yes that's mature, what does that have to do with anything.  By
the way, even if you ignore the stupidity of the suggestion, there probably
wasn't enough material around to make enough bombs and it would hardly have
been very constructive.

You mention British Imperialism, just because your patriotic and seem to be
offended by the slightest criticism of your country, don't assume that I
feel the same way.  I would probably agree with lots of criticisms of
Britain and it's history, I wouldn't see it as offensive, unless it was
particularly inaccurate and racist.

>Pop quiz for our resident Bush biographer and close chum:
>1) Where did Al Gore go to college?
>2) Where did George W. Bush go to college?
>3) Where did George W. Bush get his Masters? (hint: see 1).
>There seems to be a fine liberal tradition of responding to conservative
>argument with a pity "Yeah, well, you're just stupid". Clearly, anyone who
>disagrees with the benighted just must not be capable of such clarion
>reasoning. Reagan couldn't remember squat, and took naps. Dan Quayle that
>they spoke Latin in Latin America. W is a dimwit. After all, if they have
to
>argue "Am not stupid", that just seems pathetic, now doesn't it?

Fair point Bush may be well educated, but on the news he comes across as a
dim-wit and very poor public speaker.  Incidentally I don't know what the
feeling is the U.S., but in Europe, Bush is very disliked.

You can check out this website for a number of very dumb remarks from the
man:

http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm

>And, if you pay the bully in the bathroom fifty cents, he won't beat you
up.
>Repeat as necessary. Where's the love? I don't see us winning enough
friends
>so as to render our enemies in the area a non-factor. Some analysts suggest
>that one of the problems is that Israel and America work; we have built
>nations whose successes can only be envied.

What exactly do you mean by "Israel and America work; we have built nations
whose successes can only be envied.".  It what way do Israel and America
work and other nations don't.  There was a fairly recent list produced
showing the "best"/"worst" countries based on a number of factors, Health,
Wealth, etc.  As far I can remember America was about 7th (of course could
be wrong), so according to that there are 6 other countries considered
better than the US (what ever that means).


Here are some articles about Ariel Sharon and the alleged massacre of
Palestinians:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,685701,00.html

Here a massacre that took place when Sharon was the Defence Minister.

http://www.jerusalemites.org/sabra.html

You may like to know that the main witness in the Ariel Sharon war crimes
tribunal was mysteriously killed:

http://www.indictsharon.net/case-frame.html

Here's an article about the clear special relationship between America and
Israel:

http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1988/04/mm0488_05.html




Richard


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Subject: RE: OT: Sept. 11th, 2001


Richard Barker opines:
> The American propaganda machine starts up.
...
> Please remember all you see especially in American has a very
> biased view on it.
Roger that. Our press has gotten nearly as bad as yours.

> If you put it into perspective, America seems the most dangerous
> country in the world, so maybe they shouldn't be allowed
> "Nukes".  America
> is the only country to have used bombs of this type, in
> conflict, twice.
And, it is the only nation in history that, in time of war, has had the
means to conquer anyone and everyone, and then, did not use it. After WWII,
we could pretty much have made British Imperialism seem like a dress
rehearsal, walked into any and every capital city, and set our own policies.
Don't like it? This bomb's for you. Cities proved easy enough to rebuild.

> Has probably been involved in more conflicts than any other
> nation in the world, in the last 60 years.
This is a matter of record. But, you are offering opinion, with no semblance
of fact.

> Am I to understand that you know Saddam personally, you know
> him so well.
...
> Lets be honest, Bush is hardly the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Pop quiz for our resident Bush biographer and close chum:
1) Where did Al Gore go to college?
2) Where did George W. Bush go to college?
3) Where did George W. Bush get his Masters? (hint: see 1).
There seems to be a fine liberal tradition of responding to conservative
argument with a pity "Yeah, well, you're just stupid". Clearly, anyone who
disagrees with the benighted just must not be capable of such clarion
reasoning. Reagan couldn't remember squat, and took naps. Dan Quayle that
they spoke Latin in Latin America. W is a dimwit. After all, if they have to
argue "Am not stupid", that just seems pathetic, now doesn't it?

> The BBC News, yesterday, showed some interviews with Iraqis
> on the street
> and of course I don't know how representative of the
> population it was, but
> the ones interviewed thought that the West should stay out of
> it.  Hardly a nation desperate for a new leader.
Excuse me, where those all the ones interview, or just those that the BBC
chose to air?

> If the U.S. pulled out all political and military support for
> Israel and
> supported the UN's calls for condemnation of Israel's
> actions, American [sic]
> would win a lot more friends in the area and maybe avoid
> future acts of
> terrorism, probably saving many lives.
And, if you pay the bully in the bathroom fifty cents, he won't beat you up.
Repeat as necessary. Where's the love? I don't see us winning enough friends
so as to render our enemies in the area a non-factor. Some analysts suggest
that one of the problems is that Israel and America work; we have built
nations whose successes can only be envied.

U.S. support of Israel is largely implied, even inferred. While we have
military presence in more than one place in the Middle East, Israel is not
one of them. As for Israel's actions in response to the terrorism they face,
the facts do seem elusive. I believe that more than one academic is making a
full time job out of trying to understand the situation. I have seen web
sites claiming remarkable atrocities, but with a suspicion lack of detail.

Greg Stigers
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