Hard to manage?  Now that's funny.

Full of obsolete technologies?  Hmm..I didn't realize that Apache, POSIX,
SAMBA, etc were obsolete.  Best get working on my resume.
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        -----Original Message-----
        From:   dsilva [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
        Sent:   Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:28 PM
        To:     [log in to unmask]
        Subject:        [HP3000-L] If there are HP people in this forum they
would be laughing big time....

        <<    "PSST ... Carly we want to let the world in on your secret ...
with  the HP
        e3000 your organization manages the manufacturing of over $20Billion
of
        products>>

              The systems you are talking about are a "web" of
inconsistencies, hard to trace, hard to research, hard to manage, poorly
documented, of very cumbersome design, full of holes, obsolete technologies
and on and on, product of years of a mix of changing technologies and
constant upward/task change and "promotions" of the very hp employees that
designed these systems.  That is why HP is doing a lot of migrating.  That
is why HP is about invent and change.  Because they have no choice,
otherwise the giant will drop like a rock from within.

              Whatever you think the big giant is, chances are that you are
wrong unless you have been there.   I dag the giant deeper than a lot of
people I know, through out and worldwide.  What I found would make a grade
school programmer apprentice look like a pro.

              Concerning uptime hardware and operating system wise they have
a stable platform, so do others.

              I am not trying to create conflict here but it amazes me to
read about this and the "collection" effort in progress.   Anybody with some
"cloud" can get a first hand impression from the horse's mouth if they try
hard enough.