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Gary Nolan <[log in to unmask]>
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Gary Nolan <[log in to unmask]>
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Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:31:06 -0400
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I am not sure how big and fat would be need, a quick check found the
following page.

http://bell.uccb.ns.ca/Technical_Report/Infrastructure.html

It probably would explain better than I could.

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Goodey <[log in to unmask]>
To: 'Gary Nolan' <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] OT: rotating blackouts ordered for Northern
California


> Sounds lile a great place for a big internet server farm,
> as soon as someone installed a big fat fiber connection.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Nolan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:52 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: rotating blackouts ordered for Northern
> California
>
>
> Well if anybody wants to give up expansion we will take it here.  With
> unemployment "officially" at 26% (probably closer to 40% actually), the
> property assessments down 1.5% (I can now by a house cheaper than I could
> build one), and a closure of Sydney Steel (putting 700 more people out of
> work), which used $1,000,000 a month in electricity, Nova Scotia Power has
> lots of electricity to spare. We have plenty of land, people, resources
and
> one of the most scenic places in Canada, but we just cannot seem to grow.
>
> Slightly depressed in Cape Breton
> Gary Nolan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Darnell <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: rotating blackouts ordered for Northern
> California
>
>
> > John wrote:
> > > Actually, there are several.  Austin, Atlanta, Denver, Raleigh-Durham,
> > > Boston, and several others are centers for high-tech
> > > industries.  I expect
> > > the power problems in California may lead to further
> > > decentralization of
> > > these industries, rather than centralization in another city.
> >
> > I reply:
> >
> > No, Oh No!  Please - no increased growth rates here in the greater
Denver
> > area, at least for a while!
> >
> > Traffic on all Freeways is now ridiculous, housing costs and taxes keep
> > going up, and sprawling growth is a mess. The higher growth rates mean
> > businesses don't have to compete as well, so consumers suffer.
> >
> > Our "new" airport, which was intentionally built way out on the
> uninhabited
> > plains, already has a large number of those whining, crying weenies who
> buy
> > houses under the approach paths and complain about the jet noise. (The
> same
> > mentality is forcing the end of our only NHRA drag strip.)
> >
> > Interstate 25, which passes through most of our high-tech areas, is a
> > parking lot twice a day, and is forecasted to get worse even without the
> > new-lane construction that is expected to go two to three years.
> >
> > The only people around here that want more growth are those with
interests
> > in real-estate/development (like, city council members for example), or
> > those who benefit from growth at the expense of the individual citizens
/
> > property owners (again, city council members are good examples, but add
> > service providers and retailers who wouldn't be profitable in a more
> static
> > economy.)
> >
> > Long-time residential property owners see their taxes going up
> significantly
> > because they get tapped to help build the new infrastructure to handle
the
> > population increase. Every year, fixed income retirees who've not only
> paid
> > off their homes, but also paid for a couple of generations of schools,
> have
> > to sell their homes because the property taxes went up again.
> >
> > OK, so we do have some "new dwelling" taxes, but they don't cover it
all!
> > Besides those taxes are very unpopular with the developers (and
therefore
> > with those that we let get into city and county government.)
> >
> > Boise, Idaho as an isolated study in growth rates over the last four
> decades
> > shows us that 3.0% through 3.5% are about the maximum annual growth
rates
> > (in either population or business growth) that can be absorbed in a
> healthy
> > and controlled manner (Past mayors of that town have stated so
publicly.)
> >
> > So, if you are looking to get your business out of California, please
> don't
> > bring it any closer to Denver than say, Boulder (an esoteric community
> with
> > some high-tech businesses, that exists in a beautiful mountain setting,
> but
> > is about 40% phase-shifted away from the rest of the state in what we
> might
> > refer to as "reality".)
> >
> > Or perhaps, consider Utah.
> >
> > -dtd
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Clogg [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 3:24 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: OT: rotating blackouts ordered for Northern California
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually, there are several.  Austin, Atlanta, Denver, Raleigh-Durham,
> > > Boston, and several others are centers for high-tech
> > > industries.  I expect
> > > the power problems in California may lead to further
> > > decentralization of
> > > these industries, rather than centralization in another city.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rick Clark [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 2:17 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: OT: rotating blackouts ordered for Northern California
> > >
> > >
> > > <<stuff snipped>>
> > > > And to top it all off, Intel said last week that it was
> > > > shelving all plans to
> > > > further expand or build new plants in California until the
> > > > current situation
> > > > is straightened out -- which could be five to ten years from now.
> > > >
> > > > Wirt Atmar
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Could we see a 'silicon valley' emerging in another part of
> > > the country????
> > >

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