Boy, nothing like rewriting history.

We did NOT give the weapons to Saddam in the 80s, those came from
Germany, the USSR, France and other places.  Iraq was a Soviet client
state, which means they got their weapons, training and doctrine from
the USSR  (remember them?)  During the 70s and leading up to the Carter
debacle, Iran was a client of the US.  We supplied the Shah of Iran
(remember him) with aircraft, and other weapons.  Iraq was an enemy of
Iran.  The USSR backed Iraq, the US backed Iran... Until the Shah ran
away and the Iranians held US diplomats hostage for 444 days during the
Carter years.  (Did you forget that too?) At that time Iraq went to war
with Iran and we morally backed Iraq even though it was a murderous
socialist state (but I repeat myself,) simply because of what Iran had
done to our diplomats.  We never cozied up much to Iraq, but everyone
was sort of glad to see two lovely countries like Iraq and Iran go to
war with one another.  That war started in September of 1980, when Iraq
invaded Iran.  For the next 8+ years, until August of 1988, these two
countries went at each other, big time.  They used WMDs, a lot.

You might remember the USS Stark incident in 1987 when an Iraqi Mirage
(French plane) launched a missile at the Stark, ostensibly by accident.
You might want to know that France was the biggest arms supplier to Iraq
during that time.  We would not sell any weapons to Iraq, because they
were not set up for US weapons and we were reluctant to deal with them.
Remember they were still a Soviet client state.

When Iraq invaded Kuwait two years after the Iran-Iraq war, the US
formed a coalition and ejected Saddam Hussein from Kuwait.  You might
remember that all the weapons we encountered from Iraq were either
French (planes and missiles) and Soviet (planes, tanks, guns, artillery,
etc.)  The Soviets warned us that Saddam was their best customer and
that he would be hard to remove from Kuwait.  Senator Child Kerry voted
against the first Gulf War.  If he had been president, Saddam Hussein
would now be in control of over 50% of the world's oil reserves and the
Kuwaitis would be extinct.

You might remember during the first Gulf War, that Saddam had his air
force fly into Iran rather than face the coalition.  Into Iran, a
country with which he had been just a few years before.  But he would
never move his WMDs into another country before Operation Iraqi Freedom.
:-)

Anyway, if you read books reports instead of listening to MoveOn.org
adds, you would know that in 2001, George Tenet, the CIA chief put in
place by the prior administration, your pal Clinton, told George W.
Bush, who at that time was not convinced by the CIA reports on Iraqi
WMDs, that "it was a slam dunk" that Iraq had stockpiles of WMDs.  In
the aftermath of 9/11, for the president to ignore or dismiss this
categorical statement from his chief on Intelligence would be cause for
impeachment or worse when another attack came.

You might remember the morning or 9/12, a lot of people were predicting
we would be hit again and worse that on 9/11.  It was only a matter of
time.  You might even remember the hysteria gripping many people about
chemical weapons unleashed in subways (as occurred in Tokyo), dirty
nukes, anthrax scares.  How all of this seems to be so far in the past,
after three short years and no further attacks on US soil.  Now we can
tell ourselves it was all a bad dream.  And no credit to the president,
of course.

Actually, during the Clinton years, both Pakistan and India developed
and deployed nukes.  Clinton just stood by.  Many people think the CIA
was also taken by surprise.  I would not doubt it, the Dems had so
gutted the CIA it was a wonder they could even spell their name.

Interestingly enough, if you have really followed the news, you would be
aware that Pakistan has actually developed a backbone vis-à-vis the
terrorists over the last year.  They have been doing quite while chasing
them down and eliminating them.

Finally, I suggest you read the book "Treachery."  It just came out.  In
it the author explores and then exposes the machinations of our
"friends" as they arm our enemies.  During operation Iraqi Freedom, you
should know that the coalition did not encounter any US-made weapons.
All the weapons found were either French, Soviet or now Russian.  There
has been sanctions on Iraq since the first Gulf War.  One of these
sanctions was an arms embargo.  Saddam was not supposed to be able to
get weapons from abroad.  Imagine the surprise when we actually lost a
couple of M1A1 Abrams tank (which Kerry voted against) to a very recent
Russian anti-tank missile, the AT-7 Kornet, IIRC.  This puppy has only
been available within the last 5 or so years, and yet Iraq, under an
arms embargo since 1991 had some of those missiles in their possession.



Denys


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Dolliver [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:21 PM
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Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] OT: Confused on who to vote for?

That is true, Saddam did have weapons and used them against Iran. We the
US
gave them to him. Saddam had our full support back in the 80's as well
as us
giving full support to the Afghans in the 80's to fight the Russians.

This is why we knew Saddam he had "not the word "had" them..

Republicans GWB and big dick knew all along that there were no weapons.

So I guess we can invade a country that we know are not harming anyone
outside of there own boarders and tell lies about why we need to kill
him
and this justifies a us to invade a country without support from all but
one
or two of the major countries.

Oh and let us give another country like Pakistan enough money and newer
weapons to be our allies while they fight India and have nukes.


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You know I just figured it out.... It's not that we want to , we need to
have war so we can keep our countries manufacturing jobs here at home.
And
who better to sell weapons to but the other sides. Of course we are not
going to give them 'other countries' our best weapons, we still need to
win
the battles to fight and sell again and again. Whodathunk it anyway
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Joseph Dolliver
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