I am not an Orbit expert, but one thing I have learned the hard way.
With Orbit, if the backup is not 100% complete, the whole tape, including the directory is worthless.
With Turbostore, it is possible to recover the files and directory, up to the point of failure... i.e. if the tape failed at 90%, it is still possible to get the first 90% off the tape. The last 10% can be restore from older, presumably good backup tapes.
-Craig
--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Jack Connor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Jack Connor <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Backups
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:23 AM
Like you, Giles, I'm fuzzy on the Orbit restore, but I think (underline think) there are two files on the front of an ORBIT backup, one being the MPE directory (hopefully) and the other the BACKUPPL program so the tape can be read.
I'd try doing a restore from the ORBIT backup with a DIRECTORY option with much crossing of fingers.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: Gilles Schipper [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:53 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Backups
Not to worry.
It looks like your backup contains all it needs to be able to recover your system.
HP's advice to you about first restoring the directory ASSUMED your backup was done using the HP STORE command - which of course it was not.
Your backup employed the 3rd-party backup software from Orbit, so your restore procedures need to reflect that.
I don't have the orbit backup manual at hand, but I think your first step would be to restore the Orbit backup/restore program (BACKUPPL.PUB.ORBIT or BACKUPPL.PUB.SYS?) from the full backup tape you had created with the BACKUPPL program.
Please check the manual or contact Orbit.
After that, you simply run BACKUPPL, apply the appropriate commands and you'll be good to go.
At 03:19 AM 2010-01-03, Dave Vogt wrote:
>Having lost a disc drive the day before Christmas eve I said to myself
>fine, I am ok, but when I receveived some help to replace it, I was
>asked to do a HP restore with the directory option, and then restore
>the files. No problem I said to myself but the darn restore told me
>there was no directory on the tape.
>
>Talk about a sinking feeling.
>
>I'll still call Orbit about this, but here is the jobstream I use, and
>then I do a dump to tape afterwords. Jobstream of the dump to tape
>follows.
>
>If that disc would have been LDEV 1, I would have had more than a
>sinking feeling in me. But, when we get this fully documented on the
>LISTSERV, people out here will not have to worry about it anymore
>unless somebody pulls the plug on the internet. :)
>
>The COMPRESSION=3 was added by me today because of a previous post that
>I ran out of disc space, which I will be addressing this week. I had
>it set to 1 prior to this post. But that is not the issue here.
>
>I did not have a directory on the tape to recreate the drive which in
>my mind the most important part of this post.
>
>Put your posts on the List, don't send me a email, so everybody out
>here knows how to address this issue.
>
>I want to make sure I have a directory on the full backup tape, which I
>thought was there, and it wasn't. Any help would be great.
>
>Thanks a million
>
>dave
>
>
>
>
>!JOB DUMP,OPERATOR.SYS;OUTCLASS=300;PRI=CS;INPRI=2;spsave
>!COMMENT
>!COMMENT MODIFIED: 02-01-96 MJB
>!COMMENT PURPOSE: CHANGE INPRI FROM 1 TO 2 AND ADD LIMIT 0,50 !COMMENT
>!COMMENT MODIFIED: 03-04-96 MJB !COMMENT PURPOSE: CHANGE BACK TO
>BACK.PUB.SCOP !COMMENT !COMMENT MODIFIED: 7-31-96 BY STB !COMMENT
>PURPOSE: REMOVE LIMIT SETTING 0,50 !COMMENT !comment Modified by Dave
>Vogt 10/5/98 !comment changed to do a full backup nightly with a
>directory option.
>!comment Why? Because we have time!!!
>!comment
>!comment Modified by Dave Vogt 11/3/98
>!comment Run TAPECTRL.PUB.ORBIT and did SHOWDEV 7. Tape kept hanging
>!comment after the LOADTAPE program was run for no appearent reason.
>!comment Will try the TAPECTRL program to see if this solves it.
>!comment
>!comment Modified by Dave Vogt 11/20/98 !comment Changed the outclass
>from LP,1 to LP99. The stdlist was not !comment being purged on a
>nightly basis.
>!comment Modified by Dave Vogt 3/22/99
>!comment Added a LISTSPF o@;detail before the backup. Will allow
>!comment us to track lost spoolfiles easier.
>!comment
>!comment Changed by Dave 5/6/04
>!comment Send the spoolfile listing and fulllst to ldev 300 to save
>!comment so I can find information on files being stored.
>!comment
>***********************************************************
>******
>!COMMENT BZ 8/15/05 added stop and start of Conman so CCC account will
>!COMMENT be backed up
>!comment Dave 8/16/05 add stop of Sleeper at beginning of backup
>!comment then restream of sleeper and restart of Vsoft for same reason
>!comment above.
>!
>!
>!ALLOWME.PUB.ORBIT
>!FILE SPOOLLST;DEV=300,12;SPSAVE
>!LISTF @.LOGGING.SYS,2
>!LISTF [log in to unmask],2
>!LISTSPF O@;DETAIL >*SPOOLLST
>!
>!LIMIT 0
>!RUN CONMAN.SPOOL.CCC;INFO="STOP"
>!PAUSE 45
>!SETVAR STOPPED "NO"
>!MPEX
>WHILE STOPPED = "NO"
>IF JSCOUNT('SPOOLMAN,SPOOL.CCC') = 0 THEN SETVAR STOPPED "YES"
>ELSE
>PAUSE 30
>ENDIF
>ENDWHILE
>EXIT
>!
>!comment Added abort of sleeper to make sure we get sleeper stuff
>!comment backed by. We will restart sleeper at the end of the !comment
>dump ... Dave 8/16/05 !CONTINUE !ABORTJOB SLEEPER,SLEEPER.SYS !PAUSE 30
>!
>!SHOWTIME
>!SHOWJOB
>!
>!FILE SYSLIST=FULLLST;DEV=300,12;SPSAVE !RUN BACKUPPL.PUB.ORBIT PURGE
>FULL.BACKUP.SYS STORE
>!FULLFULL.BACKUP.ORBIT;FULL.BACKUP.SYS;COMPRESS=3;&
> AUTOREPLY=7;&
> DBSTORE;&
> SETDATE;&
> SHOW=LONG,DATES;&
> MAXRETRIES=100;&
> MAXERRORS = 10;&
> PROGRESS=10;&
> NOLOCK;DIRECTORY
> EXIT
>!LISTF [log in to unmask],2
>!SWITCHLOG
>!SWITCHNMLOG
>!SHOWJOB
>!SHOWOUT
>!RUN CONMAN.SPOOL.CCC;INFO="START"
>!PAUSE 30
>!SETVAR STARTED "NO"
>!MPEX
>WHILE STARTED = "NO"
>IF JSCOUNT('SPOOLMAN,SPOOL.CCC') = 0 THEN PAUSE 15 ELSE SETVAR STARTED
>"YES"
>ENDIF
>ENDWHILE
>EXIT
>!DELETEVAR STOPPED
>!DELETEVAR STARTED
>!
>!STREAM SLEEPERJ.SLEEPSTG.SYS
>!PAUSE 30
>!
>!comment Restart of BACKG added to end of DUMP by Dave 8/16/05 !comment
>Vesoft files were not getting backed up because they were !comment
>being accessed.
>!RUN MAIN.PUB.VESOFT;PARM=1;INFO="BACKG STARTJOB"
>!LIMIT 6,0
>!PAUSE 30
>!SHOWJOB
>!comment end of BACKG comments.
>!comment
>!EOJ
>:
>!JOB JSU9548,MANAGER.SYS;OUTCLASS=LP4,10;INPRI=1;PRI=CS
>!COMMENT
>*****************************************************
>!COMMENT
>*****************************************************
>!COMMENT ******************** JSU9548 ********************
>!COMMENT
>*****************************************************
>!COMMENT *** USE THIS JOB TO STORE FULL.BACKUP.SYS ****
>!COMMENT *** TO TAPE ON DEV 7. FULL.BACKUP WAS CREATED ****
>!COMMENT *** BY DUMP.JOB.SCOP. ****
>!COMMENT
>!COMMENT Created by Dave Vogt 9/20/99
>!COMMENT
>!comment Modified by Dave Vogt 3/6/00
>!comment Modified job to run in the CS queue and added a stream
>!comment to job JSU9552 which will validate the tape.
>!COMMENT
>*****************************************************
>!ALLOWME.PUB.ORBIT
>!FILE AT;DEV=AUTO
>!DEVCTRL.MPEXL.TELESUP 7 COMPRESSION=ENABLE !RUN
>TAPECTRL.PUB.ORBIT;INFO="O,7"
>!SHOWDEV 7
>!PAUSE 240
>!SHOWDEV 7
>!BPL
> DUMP FULL.BACKUP.SYS;*AT;SHOW;PROGRESS=5
>EXIT
>!
>!TELLOP;***************************************************
>!TELLOP;* Streaming the tape validate job now!! *
>!TELLOP;***************************************************
>!
>!STREAM JSU9562.JOB.SCOP
>!EOJ
>
>!JOB JSU9562,OPERATOR/.SYS;OUTCLASS=LP4,10;HIPRI;PRI=CS
>!
>!RUN TAPECTRL.PUB.ORBIT;INFO="O,7"
>!PAUSE 60
>!DELETEVAR @
>!FILE TVERIFY=TVERIFY;DEV=AUTO
>!TELLOP;
>!TELLOP;Tape verification is beginning.
>!TELLOP;
>!
>! CMDX.PUB.ORBIT,1 < SETUP.PUB.ORBIT
>!*CMDX,4
> SetVar Job_Ver, "09-3.00.12"
>{{------------------ V E R I F Y B A C K U P + ------------------
>{
>{ VERIFYJ - This JOB stream is for verifying backups, i.e., that all
>{ blocks on the tape are readable and that structure of the
>{ backup is correct.
>{
>{ Note: If passwords for the user (MANAGER) or account (SYS) are
>{ needed, they should be added after the backslash on the JOB
>{ command above.
>{
>{ Note: DAT (DDS Configured) drives do NOT report retries, and most
>{ tape errors. Therefore it is STRONGLY recommended that a
>{ tape verify be done after every backup. Regardless of the
>{ backup device used, a verify of backups should be done
>{ periodically, especially before critical system events (like
>{ an INSTALL), to determine if the backup software and hardware
>{ are working together properly.
>{{
>{{ For additional features or more information, please refer to your {{
>BACKUP+/iX Reference Manual, or call ORBiT Software for 24 hour {{
>technical support at 1-800-89-ORBiT (toll-free in the U.S. and {{
>Canada) or 925-837-4143.
>{{
>{{-------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> SETJCW Verify1stVolume = 1
> SETVAR TapeClass,"TAPE"
> SETJCW UseVerify = Yes
>{SETJCW BackupVolumes = 0
>{SETJCW BackupNoNMStore = Yes
>{SETJCW VerifyPrintFileInfo = Yes
>{SETJCW VerifyTerminateIO = No
>{SETJCW VerifyLoadPause = 10
>(47/161) Continue?
>{SETJCW VerifyNMStoreLimit = 9000
>
>{The following JCWs are required for some vendor's 8mm/DLT drives
>{SETJCW BackupNoSSM = Yes
>
>{FILE CONTROL =CONTROL ;SAVE
>{FILE LDEVLIST=LDEVLIST;SAVE
>{FILE DIRSTATS=DIRSTATS;SAVE
>{FILE DOFILE =DOFILE ;SAVE
>{PURGE CONTROL
>{PURGE LDEVLIST
>{PURGE DIRSTATS
>{PURGE DOFILE
>
> SHOWVAR CIError,JCW
> SHOWVAR
> LISTEQ
>
>
> IF UseVerify = Yes THEN
> TELLOP ******************VERIFY*******************
> TELLOP * REMOUNT TAPE ?Verify1stVolume. Will do a tape verify
> TELLOP * using the VERIFY program to check tapes.
> TELLOP *******************************************
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP " REMOUNT VOLUME 1 BKUP TAPE "
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>
> CONTINUE
> XEQ *VERIFY
> VERIFY &
> *TVerify;&
> DRIVES=1;&
> {LOADTAPE=7;}&
> {AUTOREPLY=7;}&
> PROGRESS=5;&
> {RETRIES=0;}ERRORS=0;&
> ON VOLUME DO "Echo Volume Change at !HPDATEF !HPTIMEF";&
> ON ERROR DO "Echo Tape Error at !HPDATEF !HPTIMEF";&
> ON RETRY DO "Echo Tape Retry at !HPDATEF !HPTIMEF"
> EXIT
> ELSE
> TELLOP ******************VERIFY*******************
> TELLOP * REMOUNT TAPE ?Verify1stVolume. Will do a tape verify
> TELLOP * using READALL to check tapes.
> TELLOP *******************************************
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP " REMOUNT VOLUME 1 BKUP TAPE "
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> SETJCW VerifyRetries = 0 {READALL does not set this JCW
> SETJCW VerifyErrors = 0 {READALL does not set this JCW
>
> CONTINUE
> {XEQ *LoadTape 7
> PAUSE 25
>
> CONTINUE
> XEQ *READALL
> READALL &
> *TVerify{;AUTOREPLY=7}
> EXIT
> ENDIF
> IF JCW <> 0 OR StoreJCW <> 0 OR CIError <> 0 THEN
> TELLOP ******************VERIFY*******************
> TELLOP * Backup+ Verify FAILED! Check listing
> TELLOP * JCW = ?JCW
> TELLOP * StoreJCW = ?StoreJCW
> TELLOP * CIError = ?CIError
> TELLOP * Volumes = ?BackupVolumes
> TELLOP * Retries = ?VerifyRetries
> TELLOP * Volume: ?VerifyRetriesTape
> TELLOP * LDev : ?VerifyRetriesLDev
> TELLOP * Errors = ?VerifyErrors
> TELLOP * Volume: ?VerifyErrorsTape
> TELLOP * LDev : ?VerifyErrorsLDev
> TELLOP *******************************************
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP " BACKUP HAS FAILED "
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> ELSEIF VerifyRetries > 0 OR VerifyErrors > 0 THEN
> TELLOP ******************VERIFY*******************
> TELLOP * Backup+ Verify is QUESTIONABLE!
> TELLOP * Volumes = ?BackupVolumes
> TELLOP * Retries = ?VerifyRetries
> TELLOP * Volume: ?VerifyRetriesTape
> TELLOP * LDev : ?VerifyRetriesLDev
> TELLOP * Errors = ?VerifyErrors
> TELLOP * Volume: ?VerifyErrorsTape
> TELLOP * LDev : ?VerifyErrorsLDev
> TELLOP *******************************************
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP " BACKUP QUESTIONABLE "
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> ELSE
> TELLOP ******************VERIFY*******************
> TELLOP * Backup+ Verify is CLEAN!
> TELLOP *******************************************
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP " BACKUP IS VERIFIED AND FINISHED "
> TELL GTH,MGR.SCOP "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> ENDIF
>
> SHOWVAR CIError,JCW
> SHOWVAR
>{XEQ *EjectDat 7
>!IF HPDAY = 6
>! TELLOP *******************************************
>! TELLOP ITS FRIDAY!!!!
>! TELLOP KEEP TAPE MOUNTED IN 7!!!!
>! TELLOP WILL STREAM JSU9574 TO VERIFY RESTORABILITY ! TELLOP OF
>BACKUP TAPE TO ACCOUNT SCRAP.....
>! TELLOP *******************************************
>! STREAM JSU9574.JOB.SCOP
>!ENDIF
>!EOJ
>:
>
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