You wanted a response to your "facts"
Yes, he used the ones that we sold him. Who doesn't want to have sanctions
lifted from their country? And yes, every country, including the US is
interested in their oil.
Yes Al Qaeda is in every country, even here. No we shouldn't ignore them, we
should have got them in Afghanistan and Pakistan where the leader of Al
Qaeda was. Liberation? even bush himself referred to it as an occupation.
Yes Saddam was paying the Palestinians to blow them selves up, it seem there
pretty content on doing it for free before he offered money and after he got
captured.
So now we go to war on the intent to desire WMD's, its just a lame reason
for thousands of people to die.
-----Original Message-----
From: Denys Beauchemin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:49 AM
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] OT: Confused on who to vote for?
It seems to me you only listen to TV sound bites and read newspaper
headlines. You obviously do not read books, or lengthy reports on the
web.
Denys
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Jesse Dougherty
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:23 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Confused on who to vote for?
I'm not confused nor do I have blindfolds on but I think this
administration
as done a pretty good job of doing that to you.
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Denys Beauchemin
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:48 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: OT: Confused on who to vote for?
Jesse, you really are confused.
WMD- Saddam had them and used them, against Iran, against his own
people. The latest report clearly indicates that he was working to get
the sanctions lifted from his country and then he would resume his WMD
program. In this he was aided by France, Germany, Russia and many other
countries. Why were they helping him, you ask? OIL.
Terrorist- Let's see, we have Al Qaeda in every country in the world,
except Iraq, correct? All the information about Iraqi ties to Al Qaeda
are simply bogus, we should just ignore them. Abu Nidal was there,
Zarkawi was there before the liberation. Saddam was paying the
Palestinians to blow themselves up in Israel. No, no ties to terrorists
here.
Nuclear Weapons- Let's see, the plans, the people, the parts buried in
gardens, the reports all that is bogus. Oh, and BTW, I guess Libya
didn't have a nuclear program either. The stuff they gave us was all
bogus, right. If Libya could do it, so could Iraq.
Wake up and get that blindfold off your eyes.
Denys
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Jesse Dougherty
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:38 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Confused on who to vote for?
let me help you out with that:
WMD - not true
Terrorist - not true
nuclear weapon - not true
WHY?
Answer key:
WMD - he desired to possess them.
Terrorist - The world says no link but george and dick still say yes.
nuclear weapon - again, he wanted to acquire them
WHY? - OIL
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Michael Baier
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:29 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: OT: Confused on who to vote for?
Very confusing Tim.
and then this confusing VP Cheney.
Or what where the reason for Iraq? At least in Serbia/Yugoslavia we knew
there was genocide but Iraq?
WMD - not true
Terrorist - not true
nuclear weapon - not true
WHY?
Cheney Once Pushed to Lift Iran Sanctions By MATT KELLEY, AP Writer
WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney, who has called Iran "the
world's
leading exporter of terror," pushed to lift U.S. trade sanctions against
Tehran while chairman of Halliburton Co. in the 1990s. And his company's
offshore subsidiaries also expanded business in Iran.
Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards criticized Cheney in
Tuesday night's debate for his position on Iran during the 1990s, and
Edwards said he supports expanding the sanctions against Iran.
Cheney countered that he now supports sanctions against Iran but
sidestepped the issue of Halliburton's involvement, saying it was being
raised by Democrats "to try to confuse the voters."
Halliburton's foreign subsidiaries did about $65 million in business
with
Iran last year, company documents say. A federal grand jury is
investigating whether Halliburton or its executives deliberately
violated
the U.S. ban on trade with Iran.
Foreign subsidiaries of American companies can do business with Iran as
long as no Americans participate in or direct that business. Halliburton
says it did not break that law.
While he headed the Houston-based oil services and construction company,
Cheney strongly criticized sanctions against countries like Iran and
Libya.
President Clinton cut off all U.S. trade with Iran in 1995 because of
Tehran's support for terrorism.
Cheney argued then that sanctions did not work and punished American
companies. The former defense secretary complained in a 1998 speech that
U.S. companies were "cut out of the action" in Iran because of the
sanctions.
At an energy industry conference in 1996, Cheney said sanctions were the
greatest threat to Halliburton and other American oil-related companies
trying to expand overseas.
"We seem to be sanction-happy as a government," Cheney said. "The
problem
is that the good Lord didn't see fit to always put oil and gas resources
where there are democratic governments."
Although Cheney maintained his opposition to unilateral U.S. sanctions
during his first months as vice president, the Bush administration
renewed
the trade ban with Iran in March 2001.
After the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, President Bush grouped
Iran with Saddam Hussein's Iraq and North Korea as members of an "axis
of
evil" nations with ties to both terrorists and weapons of mass
destruction.
Cheney now sounds a harder line against Iran.
"The government of Iran is the world's leading exporter of terror,"
Cheney
said less than a month after Bush's January 2002 "axis of evil" speech.
On the campaign trail, Cheney has often boasted of how the Bush
administration helped shut down an underground network supplying nuclear
technology to Iran, which he called one of "the world's most dangerous
regimes" in an August campaign speech in Davenport, Iowa.
Halliburton, meanwhile, has defended the business deals with Iran that
intensified under Cheney.
"It is neither prudent nor appropriate for our company to establish our
own
country-by-country foreign policy," Halliburton said in a January
statement
amid criticism of its Iran deals.
Much of Halliburton's business with Iran comes through Halliburton
Products
& Services Ltd., a subsidiary incorporated in the Cayman Islands and
based
in the United Arab Emirates. Halliburton Products & Services opened a
Tehran office in early 2000, before Cheney left Halliburton to become
Bush's running mate.
Halliburton Products & Services Ltd. does between $30 million and $40
million in business each year with Iran, Halliburton said in response to
a
challenge by New York City Comptroller William Thompson Jr. Other
foreign
subsidiaries did about $25 million in business with Iran in 2003, the
company said.
Halliburton also has kept alive a U.S.-based subsidiary called Kellogg
Iran, Inc. Halliburton spokeswoman Cathy Gist said that company has not
done anything since 1977, before Cheney acquired Kellogg Iran's former
parent company for Halliburton.
Thompson, whose office oversees pension funds for New York City police
and
firefighters, has criticized Halliburton and other companies for doing
business with Iran and other nations that sponsor terrorism.
"Halliburton is saying they adhere to the letter of the law, when it
poses
risks to the company but also to the United States and the world. I
don't
think it's excusable," Thompson said. "This began in February 2000, and
Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton then. Yes, he obviously bears
some
responsibility."
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