LOL! That's a pretty darn good explanation - like running a batch job
in the foreground, eh? Kinda cool. )
This little machine continues to amaze me, it is is definitely a time
sink! :)
-Paul
On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:08 PM, donna hofmeister wrote:
> udc's -- user defined commands -- have been around since nearly the
> dawn of
> time ;-)
>
> in the old (mpe v (5)) days they were (about?) the only way to write a
> 'script'...and calling a udc a script is probably a stretch. I
> guess you
> could think of a udc more like an on-line job or simply a collection
> of
> commands/programs to run.
>
> with new mpe came true ci scripting and a whole host of specialized
> functions that makes mpe scripting a real pleasure. (thank you, jeff!)
>
> ido (in donna's opinion (hehehe)) there's only two reasons now to
> use a udc
> -- when you need something to happen a login time ('option logon'
> will be
> the 2nd line in the udc) and if you need to 'commandeer' an existing
> mpe
> command (like listf or purge...or my personal fav -- shutdown).
> continuing
> with donna's opinion....if I *have* to write a udc I'll bail out of
> the udc
> by the 3rd line -- which will be an 'xeq' of a ci script.
>
> as paul has discovered try to change a udc which is in use is a pain.
> scripts are our friend.
>
> ...and sysstart is it's own animal ;-) - d
>
> ---
> Donna Hofmeister
> Allegro Consultants, Inc.
> 408-252-2330
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>> Behalf Of Paul Raulerson
>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:24 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] How to edit the SYSSTARTUP.PUB.SYS file?
>>
>> Thanks Donna - you and some other folks pointed out the issue for me,
>> in simple enough terms even for a hardhead like me to understand.
>> (Thanks also Stan, Jim, Gordon, Matthew, Craig, Lars, and a few
>> others...) I have saved all your helpful answers in my HP3K notebook!
>>
>> The answer of course, was that someone had gotten clever (I am
>> innocent of that! :) and made the file a "UDC", which I now
>> understand is somewhat more than a Unix script file.
>>
>> Using the Unix utils (i.e rm! ) got rid of the nusiance file, and the
>> instructions from several others of you on how to zap it out of the
>> catalog worked the trick. I IPLed the system and it came up without
>> any hassle, and I can now edit that little file to me hearts content.
>>
>> Again, I really appreciate the help Donna (and the rest of you!). I
>> sure am glad you don't mind these rather basic level questions.
>> I'll surely return the favors anytime I can. :)
>>
>> Yours,
>> -Paul
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:53 PM, donna hofmeister wrote:
>>
>>> sysstart should ONLY be access when the system is booting. it
>>> should not be
>>> busy/in-use during normal day-to-day activities.
>>>
>>> first things first....
>>>
>>> check the file with listfile,-3:
>>>
>>> : listfile sysstart,-3
>>> ********************
>>> FILE: SYSSTART.PUB.SYS
>>>
>>> FILE CODE : 0 FOPTIONS: ASCII,FIXED,NOCCTL,STD
>>> BLK FACTOR: 12 CREATOR : MANAGER.SYS
>>> REC SIZE: 72(BYTES) LOCKWORD:
>>> BLK SIZE: 864(BYTES) SECURITY--READ : CR
>>> EXT SIZE: 8(SECT) WRITE : CR
>>> NUM REC: 12 APPEND : CR
>>> NUM SEC: 16 LOCK : CR
>>> NUM EXT: 1 EXECUTE : CR
>>> MAX REC: 12 **SECURITY IS ON
>>> MAX EXT: 1 FLAGS : NO ACCESSORS
>>> NUM LABELS: 0 CREATED : WED, NOV 21, 2007, 10:52
>>> PM
>>> MAX LABELS: 0 MODIFIED: WED, NOV 21, 2007, 10:52
>>> PM
>>> DISC DEV #: 1 ACCESSED: MON, OCT 6, 2008, 2:30
>>> PM
>>> SEC OFFSET: 0 LABEL ADDR: $00000013.$0068E220
>>> VOLCLASS : MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET:DISC
>>>
>>> creator is manager.sys
>>> ownership is cr
>>> security is on
>>> disc dev is 1
>>>
>>> given what you're describing...i suspect that this file has been
>>> some how
>>> cataloged.
>>>
>>> type: showcatalog;user=manager.sys
>>>
>>> and send us the results. - d
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Donna Hofmeister
>>> Allegro Consultants, Inc.
>>> 408-252-2330
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>>>> Behalf Of Paul Raulerson
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:27 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] How to edit the SYSSTARTUP.PUB.SYS file?
>>>>
>>>> <grin> Yes sysstartup_vms.com is the startup file under
>>>> OpenVMS. I
>>>> definitely meant SYSSTART.PUB.SYS.
>>>>
>>>> Problem is on this system, the file is locked and it is near
>>>> impossible
>>>> to get it *unlocked* - at least my any method I have
>>>> been able to devise. Did get it unlocked one time, but I sure don't
>>>> know how I did it. Tried all the stuff I can think of, like booting
>>>> the
>>>> machine into Single User mode, setting the automatic login to
>>>> MANAGER.SYS, NOSYSSTART, etc.
>>>>
>>>> The little bugger insists on refusing to allow the file to be
>>>> edited. A
>>>> listfile sysstart.pub.sys 9, even with the system in Single user
>>>> mode,
>>>> gives me this:
>>>>
>>>> :listfile sysstart.pub.sys 9
>>>> ********************
>>>> FILE: SYSSTART.PUB.SYS
>>>> 6 Accessors(O:6,P:6,L:0,W:0,R:6),Share
>>>> #S7 MANAGER.SYS P:2,L:0,W:0,R:2 REM :
>>>> 216.110.21.130
>>>> #P22 (CI.PUB.SYS)
>>>> ACCESS: R-excl REC#: 0 FNUM: 9
>>>> LOCKS: none
>>>> #P48 (JSMAIN.PUB.SYS)
>>>> ACCESS: R-excl REC#: 14 FNUM: 13
>>>> LOCKS: none
>>>> ...
>>>> ...
>>>> ... [ more users here because I took this in multi-user mode ]
>>>> ...
>>>> ...
>>>> With multiple users logged in, there is one set of these for each
>>>> user,
>>>> and one for the JINETD streamed job that supplies TCP/IP services
>>>> like
>>>> a telnet server.
>>>>
>>>> I *think* the problem may have something with the "R-excl" - some
>>>> kind
>>>> of exclusive lock on the file. Not at all sure.
>>>>
>>>> I did not initially understand that there was something - eh -
>> "odd"
>>>> about the way this little system was behaving. It looks like
>>>> a real puzzle to me, but is probably some really simple answer.
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> -Paul
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, October 06, 2008, at 12:39PM, "Stan Sieler"
>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>> Subject: [HP3000-L] How to edit the SYSSTARTUP.PUB.SYS
>>>> file?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no such file: non-HFS filenames are limited to 8
>>>>>> characters
>>>> per
>>>>>> part, and "SYSSTARTUP" is a bit more than 8 :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're referring to SYSTART.PUB.SYS, then:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) logon as MANAGER.SYS (important...the OS checks the creator of
>>>> that file
>>>>>> as a security check)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) :editor (or whatever editor you prefer....but EDITOR is
>>>> MPE's vi...
>>>>>> free and on every system)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> edit to your heart's content
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k sysstart, unn (if making a new file)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "unn" means: keep the file unnumbered (you don't want
>>>>>> sequence
>>>> numbers
>>>>>> in columns 73..80!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Stan Sieler
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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