then I misunderstood the specific question Michael. please rephrase is a
more complete manner so I can reply or make appends as needed. i try not to
mis state what has been written and make a very concerted effort to read
and reply to what has been written.

the remainder of the reply stands as noted.

your taking things way to personal Michael.

> > Again, I am willing to take this offline but only if you choose to do
so.

the choice is your.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Baier" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "HP3000 List" <[log in to unmask]>; "Joe Andress"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: OT : US uses Indian 'threat' to force Pak support


> use the grip on yourself joe.
>
> your original statement was:
> Finally, nothing in life is free. Countries which hold out their hand for
> aid have to expect to give something in return. That include Germany.
>
> Therefore I asked you, what "big brother" all wants and for how many
years.
>
> That was all. Don't start reading what is not written.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:47:44 -0600, joe andress
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >Get a grip on yourself Michael.
> >
> >Again your not presenting  the complete truth but only the part of a
> >statement that suits your need.
> >
> >You are totally correct that 'Germany is a free democratic country
without
> >"big brother"' and has no need for a big brother. But the USA is free to
> >move US troops to where ever they decide. Surely, Germany would not think
> >they need the USA troops.  In making that type of implied statement, then
> >you do the German people a grave disservice.
> >
> >As for you desire to send a e-mail to the German chancellor, then you
have
> >that choice. Go for it is what I say. Let me know his responce. I will
not
> >hold my breath awaiting a reply.
> >
> >> What about all the money for turkey?
> >
> >Go back and read my past reply to this statement. No one is buying
Turkeys
> >vote which i guess your trying to imply. The USA is offering to
compensate
> >Turkey for the USE of their border to station troops. Turkey has counter
> >with their requirements. That is a bargining arrangement. Are you trying
to
> >buy a vote when you bargin for a car.
> >
> > > I send you earlier an article in the Chicago Sunday-Times but you
said,
> >> that it is a liberal paper that doesn't tell the truth.
> >> What newspapers do tell the truth and what truth?
> >
> >Michael, again you need to get the facts correct.  I did state something
to
> >the effect that newpaper was liberal. I also stated a large number of
times
> >that I question the correctness and completness of ALL new media.  I
NEVER
> >said that they dont tell the truth. Please DONT put words in my mouth
that
> >were NEVER spoken.
> >Truth, when it comes to the new media, is only what they lead a person to
> >believe. The true object of the new media should be to report the facts
as
> >they stand. Instead, the news media is less interested in the facts
rather
> >than ratings. They have presents a strong tendency to report things in a
> >manner to gain increase ratings. Of course, these are only my honest
> >opinion, and not shared by the new media. But then again, I look at Dan
> >Rather who is so far to one side that he leans crooked. Also the
Washington
> >Post also, but, then also look at O'Rielly. The same can be said about
him
> >also.
> >
> >As for the african counties, I just let history support my statement. I
> >didn't say that buying votes was right. Go back and read, and you will
see
> >that I am totally opposed to buying votes. BTW, I never acknowledge that
> >African votes HAVE been purchased. Only that African countries sell.
> >
> > Again, I am willing to take this offline but only if you choose to do
so.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michael Baier" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: "HP3000 List" <[log in to unmask]>; "Joe Andress"
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:06 AM
> >Subject: Re: OT : US uses Indian 'threat' to force Pak support
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:05:05 -0600, joe andress
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>>The US, UK, France, Germany all have plenty of dirt on their hands
> from
> >> >dealing with Saddam in the >>past.
> >> >
> >> >I agree with this statement. None are saints.
> >> >Any country that firmly believes that the US has violated a law,
treaty
> >or
> >> >agreement so much to the point they wish military action to enforce
that
> >> >law, treaty or agreement is well within their rights to do so. I dont
> >think
> >> >that any have done that to date.
> >> >
> >> >Finally, nothing in life is free. Countries which hold out their hand
> for
> >> >aid have to expect to give something in return. That include Germany.
> >BTW,
> >> >I have not seen in the media where the USA has firmly stated that they
> >will
> >> >withhold aid to any country.
> >> >
> >>
> >> What exactly and for how many years must Germany give something in
> return?
> >> I thought that Germany is a free democratic country without "big
> brother".
> >> Maybe I can send an e-mail to the German chancellor that he knows too,
> >what
> >> is expected of him.
> >>
> >>
> >> Of course the USA would never firmly state such things but how about
> >> reading between the lines? and there are many lines.
> >> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/02/26/africa.iraq.ap/
> >> What about all the money for turkey?
> >> I send you earlier an article in the Chicago Sunday-Times but you said,
> >> that it is a liberal paper that doesn't tell the truth.
> >> What newspapers do tell the truth and what truth?
> >> You even send an earlier mail saying, that african votes can always be
> >> bought!!!
> >> Ok, that's not withholding but the same in other terms/words.
> >
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