Denys, Here's one for you. http://www.myrtlebeachexperience.com/id129.htm While I don't agree with everything he says, he expresses well what I was trying to say. Cheers, John Dunlop E-mail : [log in to unmask] Web : http://www.jdunlop.net * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *