What about using RM. That seems to work around many MPE issues.
"Jonathan M. Backus" wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> Have you done a "listfile eclxcopy.data.aihbeta,3;pass" to see the creator
> and security set on the file?
>
> Thanx,
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gaunt, Dennis x5324 [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 2:46 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: Stuck Files
>
> I am logged on as manager.sys, I just default to the operator group when
> logging on.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan M. Backus [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:24 PM
> > To: 'Gaunt, Dennis x5324'
> > Subject: RE: Stuck Files
> >
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> > Have you tried logging on as MANAGER.SYS and purging it? I noticed
> > your
> > earlier example implied OPERATOR.SYS. The error message you are getting
> > can
> > be caused by file access or the lack of capabilities of the current user.
> >
> > [3]/SYS/PUB>help cierr384
> > MESSAGE UNABLE TO PURGE FILE !. (CIERR 384)
> >
> > CAUSE The file you specified is either being used, or you do not
> > have the appropriate capabilities to purge it.
> >
> > ACTION Check the output of LISTF command to see if the file is
> > being used. If not, check to see if you currently have the
> > appropriate capabilities to purge the file. Consult with
> > your account manager or system manager.
> >
> > Thanx,
> > Jonathan (Jon) M. Backus, MPE-CSM ~ President
> > Tech Group ~ 15 Catawba Place ~ Hagerstown, MD ~ 21742-6515
> > Email: [log in to unmask] ~ AIM: JMBackus
> > Vmail: 301.988.0614 ~ Fmail: 301.714.1854
> > Web: www.TechGroupMD.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> > Behalf Of Gaunt, Dennis x5324
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 2:21 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Stuck Files
> >
> >
> > listf eclxcopy.data.aihbeta,2
> > ACCOUNT= AIHBETA GROUP= DATA
> >
> > FILENAME CODE ------------LOGICAL RECORD----------- ----SPACE----
> > SIZE TYP EOF LIMIT R/B SECTORS #X MX
> >
> > ECLXCOPY 200B FAK 0 1150000 20 98832 18 *
> >
> > listf eclxcopy.data.aihbeta,9
> > ********************
> > FILE: ECLXCOPY.DATA.AIHBETA
> > 0 Accessors
> >
> > This file was created by a batch file, that one of our programmers made.
> > I'm still a little sketchy as to its use, but he explains that this
> > program
> > is no longer used.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shahan, Ray [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:08 PM
> > > To: 'Gaunt, Dennis x5324'; [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: RE: Stuck Files
> > >
> > > Do a LISTF,2 and ,9 on the file.
> > >
> > > Send the results of the 2 LISTF command back to this list, so we can see
> > > what you got.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gaunt, Dennis x5324 [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:55 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: Stuck Files
> > > >
> > > > (Run as SM)
> > > >
> > > > OPERATOR.SYS:purge eclxcopy.data.aihbeta
> > > > END OF FILE (FSERR 0)
> > > > Unable to purge file "ECLXCOPY.DATA.AIHBETA". (CIERR 384)
> > > >
> > > > The file has no accessories, and has not been accessed since its
> > > creation
> > > > almost a year ago. As a side note the file has no records but is
> > taking
> > > > up
> > > > 98832 Sectors. Thats a lot of nothing...
> > > > I have also tried to Store this file to Null, with a purge, and it
> > > failed
> > > > with same errors.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Michael Berkowitz [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:08 PM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Stuck Files
> > > > >
> > > > > Dennis Gaunt writes
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm new to the HP3000 scene and I'm still learning the ropes. Does
> > > > anyone
> > > > > out there know how to purge a file that is "stuck open" it has no
> > > > > processes
> > > > > attached and no sessions associated with it, yet when I attempt to
> > > purge
> > > > > it,
> > > > > the file is "In use". Can someone give me a clue or perhaps some
> > > > insight
> > > > > into something I am missing?
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Dennis Gaunt, MIS
> > > > > Community Care of Oklahoma
> > > > > ------------------------------------------
> > > > > Do the following first
> > > > > :LISTFILE filename,9
> > > > > See if anyone has the file open
> > > > > If no one does, then
> > > > > :PURGE filename
> > > > > report the exact message back to the list if it doesn't purge
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Berkowitz
> > > > > Guess? Inc.
> > > > >
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