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From:   HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of dsilva
Sent:   Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:28 PM
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Subject:        [HP3000-L] If there are HP people in this forum they would be
laughing big             time....

<<    "PSST ... Carly we want to let the world in on your secret ... with
the HP
e3000 your organization manages the manufacturing of over $20Billion of
products>>

      The systems you are talking about are a "web" of inconsistencies, hard
to trace, hard to research, hard to manage, poorly documented, of very
cumbersome design, full of holes, obsolete technologies and on and on,
product of years of a mix of changing technologies and constant upward/task
change and "promotions" of the very hp employees that designed these
systems.  That is why HP is doing a lot of migrating.  That is why HP is
about invent and change.  Because they have no choice, otherwise the giant
will drop like a rock from within.

      Whatever you think the big giant is, chances are that you are wrong
unless you have been there.   I dag the giant deeper than a lot of people I
know, through out and worldwide.  What I found would make a grade school
programmer apprentice look like a pro.

      Concerning uptime hardware and operating system wise they have a
stable platform, so do others.

      I am not trying to create conflict here but it amazes me to read about
this and the "collection" effort in progress.   Anybody with some "cloud"
can get a first hand impression from the horse's mouth if they try hard
enough.