I think one challenge will be software pricing. Most vendors priced their HP e3000 software based on a tiered architecture aligned to performance characteristics.
So, how does the Stromasys emulator on a modern Core i7 compare to an N-class.
Then, how well does it support multi-core machines?
Is a quad core the same as 4 processors in the old world?
Performance influences pricing, which will naturally influence transfer fees.
Move your licenses from a 918 to a 4-cpu N-Class and have a look at the software costs!
Food for thought.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Craig Lalley
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:10 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] MPE on Intel hardware, thank you Stromasys
It would be interesting to hear from other software vendors.
Is this an environment that they would be interested in supporting?
-Craig
--- On Wed, 9/28/11, Jennifer Fisher <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Jennifer Fisher <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: MPE on Intel hardware, thank you Stromasys
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011, 3:22 AM
I believe this to be correct. As with most software, technically it should run, you just need to ensure you are not in breach of any software license agreements. As a reseller of most of the technology that runs on the HPe3k I'm sure most companies would just require a license transfer fee to continue using the software on the new hardware.
Jennifer.
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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Denys Beauchemin
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:16 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] MPE on Intel hardware, thank you Stromasys
Technically, there is no reason why Speedware, Powerhouse or any other
application would not work on the emulator. This is not an emulation of the
OS, but rather an emulation of the PA-RISC architecture.
What about the good old HPSUSAN? Read the line above.
We also understand about having it done 7 or 8 years ago. In fact it is a
very long story, but that's neither here nor there. It is imminent now and
I would think this is good news for the homesteaders with hardware that is
on its last legs. It will also be very useful for those who have migrated
but still need to have access to old data; this technology provides for a
simple method to access the archived data.
Please remember that the OS is frozen in time, it is 7.5 circa 2004 (?) and
it is not being developed further but everything that it can do on an
HP3000, it can do on the emulator. A migration away from the HP3000 is
still the best long term path, but the emulator presents a viable long-term
method to remain on MPE without worrying about aging disk drives and tape
drives.
Denys
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Gary Stephens
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:08 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] MPE on Intel hardware, thank you Stromasys
Hi Craig
couple of questions from the hip, has anyone tried, powerhouse, speedware,
etc?
What about the good old HPSUSAN
I have a number of clients where I have archived their apps of onto one of
my boxes and now provide access as and when, but still do a small amount of
development work.
Interesting times, and not looking to put a downer on any of this as its
truly great news, but its a shame this could not have been done 7 or 8 years
ago, instead of providing homesteading, I could have been developing more.
Cheers
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion on behalf of Craig Lalley
Sent: Wed 28/09/2011 12:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] MPE on Intel hardware, thank you Stromasys
Art,
The great job belongs to Stromasys. They have 10years plus experience in
writing hardware emulators, VAX, PDP, etc...
What Stromasys did not know, is how the MPE system works and how to
configure it.
That is where we helped.
But it is amazing. I have worked on every Model of HP3000 from the Series
3, to an N-class 750-8 way. Now, I can boot MPE on my laptop. I find
that amazing.
-Craig
--- On Tue, 9/27/11, Bahrs, Art <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Bahrs, Art <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: RE: MPE on Intel hardware, thank you Stromasys
To: "'Craig Lalley'" <[log in to unmask]>, "[log in to unmask]"
<[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 4:00 PM
Hi Craig :)
WOW!!! Great job to you and Denys and Paul!!!
Art "Really Impressed" Bahrs
Art Bahrs, CISSP
Security Engineer (Oregon Region)
(503) 216-2722
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Craig Lalley
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: MPE on Intel hardware, thank you Stromasys
First off, the HP3000 reunion was a wonderful time. It was appropriately
held at the computer history museum.
I am not sure if I should put a plug alert here. This is probably the most
on-topic discussion in months.
On
Friday for the Camus group and Saturday morning for the HP3000 group, I
had the honor of demo'ing a working MPE 7.5 system on Intel hardware.
The rumors are true, my laptop boots MPE.
Stromasys has created a
working PA-RISC emulator. The emulator recreates PA-RISC architecture in
software. What this means is that I take a raw disk
image (bit by bit copy) of a working HP3000 system. I then transfer that
file to my laptop. If the disk is 9gb it will be a 9gb image. If it is an
18gb disk, the end result is an 18gb file. Currently the system needs to be
running MPE 7.5 or in theory MPE 7.0.
The emulator starts at an ISL> prompt. It takes approximately 2 minutes
and 30 seconds for MPE to boot to a colon prompt.
From that point on the system is solid. I can compile, run FSCHECK, stream
jobs, and block mode works.
Stromasys has announced they will begin shipping the first version of this
product in January.
My goal is to find limited field test sites for smaller systems. The first
version will only support a single CPU.
I know there are going to be questions, so feel free to send them and I will
do my best.
I have been working with Denys Beauchemin and Paul Edwards on this. I am
sure Denys and Paul will be happy to pitch in as well.
Regards,
-Craig Lalley
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