When considering 4 or 8 processor systems, I've been told that Oracle
requires Enterprise Edition on a box that is 8 processor capable, even if
you only use 4 processors. A 4 processor capable box only requires Oracle
Standard Edition.
David Knispel
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From: Eben Yong [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] comparing HP3000 & HP9000
Wise words as usual, Denys.
The reason for my inquiry is that my boss (the CFO) is looking for
financial projections. I can give him the line, "We think a 4-way
rp7410 would be fine, but if we want to be sure we can plan for a 4-way
rp8410, which is expandable to 8 processors, lots of memory, etc., and
in 2+ years, the prices will be lower anyway, and we'll get more
hardware for our money."
I attended the AMISYS user conference last week; and their technical VPs
mentioned that we should consider an HP9000 with 2.5x the power of our
HP3000 to receive equivalent or greater performance. For us, that would
mean that if we wanted to stay at the same performance level, we'd need
a minimum 12-way 997 with 40GB of RAM. The hardware equivalent would be
what... a 4-way rp8410 with 40GB of RAM? Overkill?
So.... I was just curious as to what the HP3K experts had to say about
the comparison.
-----Original Message-----
From: Denys Beauchemin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:26 AM
To: Eben Yong; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: comparing HP3000 & HP9000
I would suggest you look at this issue from a different angle. I will
make a few assumptions here. 1- I suspect you are not going to do this
for at least a couple of year. 2- The amount of processing you
currently have on the HP 3000 is not going to substantially increase,
regardless of the amount of storage. By this, I mean you will add more
data, but new applications will be on other platforms.
Your current system is a 997/600, which is a few generations old
already. This system is far outstripped by the latest N4000 MPE box,
and this does not even reflect the current state of the art in the HP-UX
equivalent. The rp7410 can grow to 8 875MHz processors. Each of these
processors is either in the same league as your 6 processors in the 997
or even more powerful than the sum of them. I would say that a 4-way
7410 is probably what you would consider now. In two years, either
Itanium will be in full swing with 5GHz processors or PA-RISC is still
the way to go with 2GHz processors. Either way, the price of these
systems will be very affordable and the power will be simply incredible.
So, what I would do is plan the hardware to what it will be in
2005/2006. The 997 will be a few orders of magnitude behind in
processing power.
Now, I was going to show some current prices to compare, but when I went
to the HP web site to get a quote, I got the message than the site was
down for maintenance.
What troubled me, was the message that followed:
This site will be undergoing system maintenance from Tuesday, May 13,
2003 5:00 PM Pacific Time to Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:00 AM Pacific
Time. During that time this site will be unavailable.
I had to check my calendar. It is indeed Thursday, May 22, 2003. A
full week after the maintenance window.
Not good. Maybe HP saved too much.
Denys
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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Eben Yong
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:40 AM
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Subject: Re: comparing HP3000 & HP9000
Wow... When you say '2x', are you suggesting 12 cpu 997 with 32GB RAM?
May I complicate the situation? If I wanted to get ONE rp7410 or rp8410
production server (leaving out the test server for later), what would
you suggest?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Hornsby [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thu 5/22/2003 5:23 AM
To: Eben Yong
Cc:
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] comparing HP3000 & HP9000
1 system 2x 997/600 for database server
1 system 1x 997/600 for applications server
1 system .5x 997/600 for test/training
Mike
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From: "Eben Yong" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:50 PM
Subject: [HP3000-L] comparing HP3000 & HP9000
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Preface: I'm just curious about this. So please, no sales
calls!
>
>
>
> We have a 997/600 with 16 GB of RAM running the AMSYS
application. Our
> largest IMAGE database is taking up 33GB of disc. The largest
dataset
> is 508 bytes long and contains 6.8 million records.
>
>
>
> On moving to HP/UX, running ORACLE. What kind of HP9000
system specs
> should I entertain?
>
>
>
> Any takers? Thanks!
>
>
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