Hey Cary,
    Fred should not be ashamed... he earned the right, as has every man and
woman who ever served, to ask what right have you to say the things that you do?

    I find myself, after 15 years of service, 10 of which as an Infantry
Sergeant, praying for a coup in Iraq so we may stand down... but at the same
time I say the prayer I teach the NCO's in my class how to properly perform the
Art of War.... I don't agree with what a lot of countries are doing... but after
spending 15 years protecting the Rights granted to all our citizens in the
Constitutions, I realize that those countries have the right to do what they
think is right, for whatever reason... I even realize that you have the right to
call them names for what they are doing...

   I for one hope for peace and read posts by all people to learn more.... Fred
teaches in his way and others have added info in their ways... but you haven't
added facts just vitrol (sp) and anger...

   But if you are under age 35 go to www.GoArmy.mil or www.ARNG.Army.mil  to
find your local recruiting station and sign up.... we are always looking for
good recruits... after all The Corp isn't the only one who needs a few good men!

Art Bahrs, CISSP, SSG(P)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cary White" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Terry Jones (from Monty Python) on War


> >I served in the Marines in WWII and Korea. Both to defend
> >our country and to preserve the freedoms of people such as yourself.
> >What have you done to preserve my freedoms?
>
> If that is true, you should be ashamed.  You do the Country and the Corps a
> disservice by the sheer arrogance of that question and your pompous stance.
> Not to mention your obvious embarrassment if I turned out to be a decorated
> Veteran.
>
> If I had been given the honor of serving my country in that capacity, I
> would never say such a thing.  As it is, I have the utmost respect for our
> armed forces and never take for granted the life which their sacrafices have
> enabled for me and my family.  In my family's case, it was my grandmother
> who lost her brother in the Pacific in '44 and my mother, who lost her
> brother in Viet Nam in '68, both of whom were volunteers, not draftees.
> They have never been forgotten.  We keep their pictures on our walls and
> their memories in our hearts.  We speak of them often. I am named after my
> uncle.
>
> FWIW, Fred, my name calling is directed at those nations who block the will
> of the UN simply to be obstinate, and, in my view, because they also have
> ulterior motives.  It seems everyone but you understood that.  When I say
> "we" I mean We, the people of the United States.  That includes those who
> fight and those at home who support them.  I, by no means, advocate killing,
> violence or war, nor do I get a thrill out of "smart bombs."  War with Iraq
> is indeed a dreadful prospect.  I simply believe it is the right thing to
> do.  I am not politically correct in my views and I make no apologies for
> that.  I suppose it would be more accurate to say that I am not influenced
> by political correctness and I have distaste for those who are.
>
> I do not presume to dispute the view of those who have killed and seen
> untold killing in the course of wars, who rally against war under any
> circumstances.  However, I would say that the enemies you fought were armed
> and were under orders to kill you.  Terrorists kill for the impact of
> killing.  The most impact is made by killing unarmed, innocent bystanders.
> I would spare my family and my country of that and so I support our
> President and believe in the integrity of his motives.  I believe that
> Saddam would (and perhaps has) willingly give terrible devices to those who
> would enter our country and use them on us.  One can only imagine the impact
> of a radiological device detonated in Southern California, for example.  Not
> only could millions die, but the economic impact would make that of 9/11
> look like nothing.  Saddam would do this with glee.  In fact, I would submit
> to you all that it is his goal to do so.  Just like bin Laden.
>
> Having stirred the pot sufficiently in the other direction,  I'll bow out.
> I take solace in the fact that I recieved many more offline e-mails of
> support for my comments than online rebukes from people such as yourself.
>
> Cary
>
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