Oh, and for the rekord, where in my post did I akkuse you of being a liar?
I simply said you were a zealot (and zealots do tend to ignore facts that
do not support their narrow opinions).
I'm just making fun of you, not to mention something else I find rather
silly about you.
That aside, I'm not necessarily liberal, nor am I conservative if you'd
really like to know the truth. I don't suppose that would interest you
though.
I believe government should be small and only exist to serve and protect
its citizens. Over time, I have changed my views on social welfare and
believe that some sort of it is necessary and gladly pay taxes to support
the needy and indigent.
I believe that people should have as much freedom as possible. I don't
believe in any sort of punishment for what some people would call
"consensual crime" (i.e., ingestion of whatever drugs you want, engaging in
any type of consensual sex with other adults, etc.).
I don't believe in God or anything of the sort. I think religion is
dangerous, and most especially when mixed with governance.
I believe women, people of all colors, men, anybody of any sexual
orientation, are should all be protected by the same laws and treated in
the same way by the government; yet I do not necessarily believe that we
need eqaul rights' bills for every segment of the population. I hate
admitting this, but I do believe that people who own private property and
business have every right to discriminate to their hearts' content; I
believe private property owners should have the ability to decide who can
do what on their property (e.g., smoking cigarettes or disallowing of the
same). I don't believe the government has any interest in such affairs --
yet it does. This is what we like to call "tyranny of the majority," not
democracy.
Exactly what does this make me? A liberal? A left-wing racist? A fiscal
conservative with leftist leanings when it comes to social affairs? Who
cares?
I'm not exactly interested in labels as much as the exchange of ideas. I
don't feel that what I write is necessarily forcing my view of life, or
politics, or anything else for that matter is as much forcing them down
people's throats as expressing myself. I do not get the same feeling from
your posts.
Sorry to say that, but you do strike me as someone who is very intolerant
of those who disagree with you, and you certainly fling insults without
much thought.
Anyway, I didn't mean for this to be personal, but I guess I did start it
-- even though my joke wasn't acknowledged (out of embarassment?).
Too bad. I always thought your excitement about cobol nifty. Turns out
your not very nifty in any other way.
John Testa
SLPS Homewood
708-647-4346
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Please respond to
Shawn Gordon
Oh goodness me, the great master of English has at least only compared me
to a baptist minister. Just like a typical liberal, you call everyone a
liar but without any proof of your own. Hindsight is always 20/20 (well it
should be anyway, but the winners write the history). I'm far from a
zealot, I'm only interested in facts, I'm perfectly happy to contest things
Bush has done wrong, I think he is totally wrong on Immigration for
example, but Kerry is the most dangerous man running for President since
Carter.
At 12:39 PM 10/26/2004, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>Aktually,, I was referring to your propensity to argue a single point of
>view no matter what fakts (for example, the simple fakt there are no
>weapons of mass destruction in Irak, and apparenlty haven't been since at
>least the early 1990s) demonstrate.
>
>We can all find "fakts" to support just about any argument we like.
>
>I was just noticing that you seem to be quite a zealot. This isn't
>necessarily an insult. It's something I've noticed.
>
>I also feel I'm completely justified in jumping in and pointing this out,
>considering you did the same during a diskussion (or so-kalled
>"discussion") I was having with someone else.
>
>Your fakts are suspekt, at best. You remind me of a baptist minister.
>Take komfort in the fakt I haven't compared you to a katholik priest.
>
>
>
>John Testa
>SLPS Homewood
>708-647-4346
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> Shawn
> Gordon
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> 10/26/2004
> 02:30
>
> PM
>
> Please respond
> to
>
> Shawn
> Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>yes I imagine my overwhelming facts are pretty inconvenient for you.
>
>At 11:47 AM 10/26/2004, you wrote:
> >Wow. Slanted like crazy.
> >
> >Facts are pretty inconvenient, aren't they?
> >
> >John Testa
> >SLPS Homewood
> >708-647-4346
> >[log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> > Shawn Gordon
> > <shawn@thekompany To:
> > [log in to unmask]
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> > Discussion
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> >
> > 10/25/2004 04:02
> > PM
> > Please respond to
> > Shawn Gordon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >ok, well you have a number of problems with this story, number one the
> >weapons disappeared about 19 months ago and it was already reported,
this
> >is just another case of the media working for Kerry. So far the allies
> >have rounded up and destroyed something like 500,000 tons of weapons.
> >
> >The disappearance of the weapons basically coincides with our entry in
to
> >Iraq - perhaps this is more of Saddam hiding them in Syria - of course
>that
> >makes too much sense, I'm sure there is some wacky conspiracy that will
> >make more sense to you.
> >
> >Next problem - all you leftists hang wringers love to go on about how
>there
> >weren't any significant weapons - so which is it? duh
> >
> >When GWB wins next week will you promise to go back your beloved
socialist
> >EU? Pretty Please?
> >
> >At 01:54 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
> > >the incompetence of GW and his whole adminstration.
> > >One more component for the N-bomb in the hands of terrorists thanks to
>GW.
> > >He keeps us safe?
> > >He's the chief of disaster.
> > >He is the worst president in history.
> > >11 more days ;->
> > >
> > >Kerry slams Bush over missing Iraq explosives
> > >
> > >DOVER, United States (AFP) - Democratic hopeful John Kerry Monday
>branded
> > >President George W. Bush's administration arrogant, blind, incompetent
>and
> > >guilty of "great blunders" after the disappearance of 380 tonnes of
high
> > >explosives in Iraq.
> > >
> > >Kerry pounced on reports by the International Atomic Energy Agency
that
> >the
> > >explosives that could be used in conventional or nuclear bombs had
> > >disappeared, as proof Bush had failed as US commander in chief.
> > >
> > >"George W. Bush, who talks tough, talks tough, and brags about making
> > >America safer has once again failed to deliver," Kerry said.
> > >
> > >"After being warned about the danger of major stockpiles of explosives
>in
> > >Iraq this president failed to guard those stockpiles.
> > >
> > >"Terrorists could use this material to kill our troops, our people,
blow
> >up
> > >airplanes and level buildings," Kerry said.
> > >
> > >"Now we know our country and our troops are less safe because this
> > >president failed to do the basics, this is one of the great blunders
of
> > >Iraq one of the great blunders of this administration.
> > >
> > >"The incredible incompetence of this president and this administration
>has
> > >put our troops at risk and our country at greater risk than we ought
to
> > >be."
> > >
> > >"The unbelievable blindness, stubbornness, arrogance of this
> >administration
> > >to do the basics has now allowed this President to once again fail the
> >test
> > >of being Commander in Chief.
> > >
> > >Nearly 400 tonnes of powerful explosives that could be used in
> >conventional
> > >or nuclear missiles disappeared from an unguarded military
installation
>in
> > >Iraq, the IAEA said Monday.
> > >
> > >The Iraqi ministry of science and technology informed the IAEA of the
> > >disappearance of nearly 380 tonnes of mainly HMX and RDX explosive
> >materiel
> > >on October 10, agency spokeswoman Melissa Fleming told AFP, confirming
a
> > >report in The New York Times.
> > >
> > >"It can be used in a nuclear explosion device, for the explosion," she
> > >said, adding: "That's why it was under IAEA verification and
monitoring"
> > >before the March 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq.
> > >
> > >The New York Times said the materiel "could produce bombs strong
enough
>to
> > >shatter airplanes or tear apart buildings."
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Shawn Gordon
> >President
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>Regards,
>
>Shawn Gordon
>President
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