"Chana, Harpreet TCS1C" touches on a subject near to my heart:

> Is it possible We can manage System Administration in MPE/iX like HP-UX
> system Administration (select the operation and execute). It would be much
> easy to manage the system for new learners.

i'm interested in hearing how/why you think managing a hp-ux box is easier.
really....

> I am also agree with this question. Why hot HP trying to convert
> Administration like HP-Ux system Administration.
> My one of the customer is also migration from HP3000 system  to HP-UX, just
> because HP-UX is easy to manage through system administration.

i'm amazed at this statement.  if anything, there are more tools on the unix
side to aid in admining because -- in my experience -- admining unix is so much
more difficult than on mpe.  if anything, the lack of mpe tools may be an
indication of a more easily manageable box.

for example, we run ~450 mpe boxes with two mpe admins.  we run ~400 unix
systems with 10 (and that number is growing) admins -- and they can't keep up.
and this is inspite of hundreds of thousand of dollars spent on 'admin' tools.

someone, who's opinion i respect, said to me that mpe people tend to be so well
grounded in the fundamentals of computers -- from programming to admining.  as
a whole, we're very good with/knowledgeable about computers.  otoh, unix people
aren't necessarily as well versed in what makes computers computers.  sure,
they can string a grep|awk command together that's confounding -- and impress
those around them.  but do they truely have a clue about what they're
doing...to the computer?  perhaps so...perhaps not.


> Just take an example for adding the new Disk in HP3000 and HP-9000.

i think perhaps the knee-jerk reaction is to say -- why is this a problem?  but
you've also asked the question to a bunch of 'grey hairs' :-) (yeah...and
that's me too guys :-)  it's hard for us to appreciate the challenges of trying
to figure this out when (frankly) there's very little formal, written
documentation.

imo, because so many of us are hanging onto our mpe boxes with our finger
tips....we've banded together on 3000-l to help each other out.  otoh -- again
in my experience -- what i see of the unix admins is a very stand-alone,
don't-ask-for-help kind of attitude.  again -- another reason (to my way of
thinking) for a proliferation of tools.

              - d 'did i include enough imo's?' :-)

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