--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Paul Raulerson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> 
> Add in that these kinds cameras have been used time and
> time again to prove guilt or innocence in cases of assault,
> theft, robbery, rape, and kidnapping. Most people seem
> perfectly happy with being recorded on camera when going
> about their normal business in exchange for that kind of
> protection.
> 
> I'm not saying I agree with it, but it does provide a
> certain amount of safety.
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I certainly don't agree with it.  Our society is founded on a basic principle, one which we have long forgotten.  The people are presumed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty.

These camera systems are being put up and monitored by companies who are given a percentage of the profits.  In a lot of areas where red-light cameras has been put up, the number of accidents have increased.  Why, because the companies running the show, tweaks the lights to improve profits.

Sometimes the wrong car is sent the ticket, now the burden of proof has shifted to innocent.  (similar to the credit rating system)

John Lee wrote yesterday that the cameras were found un-constitutional in Minnesota... almost makes me want to move there (again).  :-)

The reason why I originally posted it, is that high school kids are now using these cameras to get back at Teachers and enemies.  Obviously the cameras are not capable of good judgment.

As an dead ole' white man once said.

from wikiquotes..

1) They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
2) Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

    * The first variant was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly. See Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin. [1]
    * The second variant was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) This book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts.[2]

-Craig

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