->OUT OF THE CLOSET ......
I've been watching this conversation for the last few
days...............
All languages have there usefulness for a particular application
Not all (C, COBOL,TRANSACT,PROTOS) can do just what you want everytime.

I was the original test site back in ??75 for Transact....great
I wrote the Saudi Arabian BOM in PROTOS
I have written COBOL VIEW for 25 years and still do
I use 4GL for large extract drive files linked to another language
program
I use C  at home on PC applications
No one is right  or wrong,  just confused on which language to apply to
a application or task.

Contractors have been there and done that......

Yes and then it was Friday and I was also GLAD.


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>From:  David Largent[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent:  Friday, November 07, 1997 7:12AM
>To:    [log in to unmask]
>Subject:       Re: [HP3000-L] Transact Programs -Reply
>
>As I read Gary's message from yesterday's digest, it struck me how
>little I'd need to change to have the message come from me.  I'm
>certainly not trying to start (or continue) a "language war", but
>some times we "dinosaurs" feel a need to come out of the closet and
>let the world know that the "old" ways are sometimes still very
>valid!  (Any other PROTOS programmers want to come out of the
>closet?)
>
>On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 Gary Nolan <[log in to unmask]>
>wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>
>Howdy!
>
>> I have been reading the Transact comments and decided to add in my
>> $.02 worth.
>
>Ditto.
>
>> Over the past 20 years (started in high school) I have written in
>> Fortran, Basic, RPGII, Cobol (including versions of cobol you have
>> never heard of ie IMS/90 action programming and UTS400 cobol) and
>> Transct. I find Transact the quickest language to write and debug
>> in.
>
>Over the past 23 years (started in high school) I have written in
>Fortran, Basic, RPGII, Cobol, APL and PROTOS. I find PROTOS the
>quickest language to write and debug in.
>
>> We currently write all new systems, every thing written in the
>> past 10 years, in Transact. We are a steel plant with 600 employees
>> and only 3 people working in computer services. Without Transact,
>> Image and tools such as Qedit and Suprtool and the HP3000 we could
>> not survive.
>
>We currently write all new systems, (and every thing written in the
>past 13 years) in PROTOS. We are a service provider (trim trees &
>construct power lines) to electric utilities with 1600 employees and
>only 3 people working in computer services (only two programmers).
>Without PROTOS, Image and the HP3000 we could not survive.
>
>> All of our systems are inhouse written as off the shelf software
>> cannot handle our needs. I have even used Transact in a shop floor
>> quality controll system. To us cobol and RPG are our legacy
>> systems converted from an IBM/360 14 year ago.
>
>All of our systems are inhouse written as off the shelf software
>cannot handle our needs well. To us Cobol and RPG are our legacy
>systems converted from a General Automation 18/30 17 years ago.
>
>> To those that consider Transact software "legacy" systems I would
>> like to know what you use instead. I am always open to new, better,
>> faster ways to do code.
>
>To those that consider PROTOS and/or Transact software "legacy"
>systems I would like to know what you use instead. I am always open
>to new, better, faster ways to do code.
>
>> My intent in not offend anybody I say do what is best for you and
>> your company after all we all don't drive the same model car and
>> live in identical houses. Just trying to give Transact the better
>> image it should have.
>
>My intent is not to offend anybody.  I say do what is best for you
>and your company.  After all we all don't drive the same model car
>and live in identical houses. Just trying to give PROTOS the better
>image it should have.
>
>> Gary Nolan]
>> Sydney Steel Corporation
>
>-dll
>
>> My opinions are my own.
>
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